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this is Leslie Kane and you're listening

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hi everyone and welcome back to that UFO

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podcast my name is Andy and I am joined

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for a guest making his third appearance

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on the podcast former CIA analyst

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experiencer and of course most

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importantly a previous guest on the

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podcast like I say Mr John Ramirez John

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welcome back uh thank you very much Andy

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I'm glad to be back it's good to have

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you here and you've been on a couple of

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shows recently uh making some waves with

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some opinion some comment some

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interesting theories most recently I'll

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just say off the bat uh Chris Leto show

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on YouTube the little files I thought

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there was a fascinated discussion with

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you looking at radar systems and data

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and I would Point anyone who hasn't

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watched that yet to certainly go and

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check that one out because it's not your

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run-of-the-mill conversation if you want

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to call them that with John around his

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background and thoughts and opinions so

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I really enjoyed that one John they're

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really able to put together presentation

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as well so thank you for that with with

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Chris

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um before we get started John Legacy

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it's your third time on the podcast but

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there may be new listeners checking you

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out for the first time and they might

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want to know a little bit of your

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background can you just summarize that

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for us

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uh certainly Andy I was a CIA officer

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from 1984 to 2009 and during that period

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of time I was in the directorate of

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Science and Technology and the signals

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signals intelligence field and of course

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for your UK audience they may know of

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gchq so I did primarily what gchq does

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for the UK government and collecting and

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analyzing signals also I served in the

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director of intelligence in the weapons

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intelligence analysis area specializing

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in ballistic missile defense and that is

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the uh

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study of missiles that can shoot down

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other missiles so it's like

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anti-ballistic missiles and during that

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time which was in the offices where the

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Legacy UFO program resided that's when I

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first became exposed to UFO issue at CIA

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and I would preface that I was not read

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into any special programs it was just a

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matter of having encountered

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instances of these objects being tracked

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by our adversary Radars uh primarily

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back in the day the Soviet Union and

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later the Russian Federation so their

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Raiders were tracking some objects like

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R Raiders our Radars track objects and

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they were wondering uh what they were

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they thought it was us of course when we

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track something like that we think it's

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them and later we find out it's neither

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of us or the Chinese so that's primarily

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my background it's uh mostly in

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technical intelligence I would say I was

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not a traditional what you would

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consider a CIA spy in the sense that I

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didn't have to recruit uh foreign

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Nationals to spy on behalf of the U.S so

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I didn't do any of that stuff that you

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see in the movies what I did was mostly

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uh behind the scenes in Laboratories at

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CIA working with my counterparts in gchq

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in the ministry of Defense UK as well as

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the Australian signals directorate and

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and within the United States of course

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we have the National Security Agency and

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other parts of the Pentagon which deal

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with a foreign weapon systems so that's

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primarily my background in a nutshell

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thanks for that John and I do suggest

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anyone who wants more of that in detail

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checks out the previous interviewers

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with John so anything you think may be

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missing's probably been covered

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previously let's get right into things

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anyway John 20 23's been a very

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interesting year and as we record this

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we're we're getting into the middle of

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May and there's a lot of very recent

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conversation going on I think it's

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important though you use the word

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preface and I'm going to preface this

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interview with you by repeating

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something you've said to me before that

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that much of what you see as opinion and

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you're honest about that and that can

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sometimes be misconstrued as fact

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especially when things are put out in

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small Snippets online you know a quick

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sound bite of what you see they miss out

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the first few sentences and all of a

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sudden John Ramirez confirms back

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engineering program happened you know

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and it's just it's just taken up of

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um as a fair to say though given your

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previous role many will look at your

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statements as some kind of informed

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opinion and do you understand where that

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comes from

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um I would call it uh informed opinion

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uh based on fact and uh inform

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speculation based on fact and those

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facts are sourced from others who

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actually have these clearances to work

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on these programs and so you've heard

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for example uh Dr Eric W Davis

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saying that yes there are have been

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crash retrievals we have metamaterials

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in our possession we have the technology

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in our possession and that's someone who

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is speaking from fact that he had access

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to these materials I never did but I

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consider Dr Davis to be a credible

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source and so in many instances I would

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reinforce what other people say and so

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that's why it gets misconstrued

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misconstrued as something I would like

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do I am declaring but uh having said

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um I am well informed and I do have ndas

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but none of those ndas are directly

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related to the UAP UFO subject matter

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whatsoever

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I never had access to them when I had

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the opportunity to have access I refused

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I didn't want any knowledge of that and

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you wonder well gee whiz I would I would

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definitely get that but if I had that

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you wouldn't be hearing from me now and

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you would never know who I was at all

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because I would be restrained from

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speaking about any part of it but I knew

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enough to know that it is a genuine

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thing that there are

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craft flown by non-human intelligence

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and I think that is the very first step

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in the disclosure process that we have

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to stop saying uh there could be foreign

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adversaries we don't know what they are

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um so forth and so on all of the other

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reasons that we've heard for so long

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and definitely they're not weather

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balloons so I would say you know first

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step is to disclose that non-human

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intelligences non-human beings are

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involved with what we're seeing in our

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you know you've gone straight to my last

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question but let's uh let's run with us

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on the spot then let's make this a

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little bit ad talk on my part and make

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it difficult for me

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um so you've said that that governments

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need to get away from that talk of

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adversarial technology and you feel that

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is happening they need to come out and

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say non-human intelligence

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it seems that's the logical Next Step

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but is it fair to also say that's the

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biggest step of all for any government

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to totally break away from the vague

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generic dancing around it and actually

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saying a word like alien or non-human or

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E.T whatever they want to use but to say

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it's something else how do we get to

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that step

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it's just a matter of that's the first

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step to take that biggest leap as you

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say Andy it is truly a hugely based on

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what governments have said before

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but that is a huge leap and in order to

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have a discussion of what's really

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important uh and to me that is why are

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they here

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why are they visiting this little planet

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third from this obscure star that is

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nothing special in a very big Galaxy in

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what is known as the Orion spur of the

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Milky Way galaxy here we are this planet

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that we know that our ancestors lived on

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why are they here

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why are they interacting with us and

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this goes to the experiencers as well

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why are experiencers encountering them

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why are channelers receiving messages

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from them that big why question we can't

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even get there until we emit

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um this government the United States the

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UK government uh the governments in the

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world to admit that yes there's

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something else happening here that is

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not human that's interacting with humans

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and perhaps if we look back toward uh

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for example religious texts there's

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always select Encounters of humans with

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what the Ancients call the divine and

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was the Divine actually a manifestation

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of what we're seeing in our skies it's

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just that uh they didn't have the terms

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of reference they didn't have the

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science uh to think of them as

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um beings from somewhere else other than

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the planet so yeah that is a big First

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will occur that needs to occur or else

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all the other discussions are like moot

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I mean why even go there it'll continue

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to be speculation unless we involve the

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non-human beings into that equation in

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order to solve or resolve the issue and

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that's the whole purpose of Arrow it's

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all domain resolution res all domain

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resolution office resolution meaning we

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need to figure out who they are what

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they are what are we dealing with and

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arrow is has a long way to go but I've

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stated before that you're not going to

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get any disclosure from Errol in front

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of the United States Congress

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that's not going to happen that is not

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their purpose they're actually looking

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at it from a Aviation safety standpoint

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um so Aviation safety is very big for

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them because our Pilots have encountered

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them in fact was it not one of the FAA

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team Pilots off the Nimitz who said

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um or that there were fleets of them

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they're like there's like there's a

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whole Fleet of them yeah oh hopefully

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then it may not be um from the Nimitz it

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may be from one of the other carriers

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um but um that statement was made by a

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Naval aviator serving in the U.S Navy

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flying these planes and seeing them and

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describing them as fleets

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um I don't think that our adversaries

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have fleets of these craft flying off

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the east coast and I believe this was

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seen off the east coast of the United

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case the Princeton and the Nimitz

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tracked many many objects they fell into

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one that we know of but there are lots

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of them on radar yeah right yeah I would

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love to see the rest and again I have no

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clearances or as we say in the US

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government The Insider speakers I have

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no tickets in order to see them and

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that's a very good way of saying it

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because there's the show and I don't

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have the ticket to go see them

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um other people do and other people have

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seen them and they're coming forward I

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think later on uh this year that's

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another statement I made uh that's based

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on more informed

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um opinion that uh we're on the verge of

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at least the initial disclosure of

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saying that this is non-human craft that

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we're seeing

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and so I think other people will start

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saying that and in a very official way

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so I'm looking forward to that as well

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as this with everyone else I want to

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hear that statement first

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yeah a bit of a hot button issue and

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I've had this conversation with many

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people and it gets a little bit heated

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sometimes but I think he did he did

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debate is always healthy you know

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everyone can be friends at the end of it

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and including myself and Dan who comes

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on the podcast often disagree on this

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that and I would love to know your take

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that

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people who have really high security

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clearances or are private information

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that they are not at Liberty to disclose

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due to any sort of binding agreement

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correct how often do those conversations

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still happen in a way because it seems

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there are a lot of people out there with

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a lot of knowledge that either weren't

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supposed to have that knowledge or

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they're speaking around it in in

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relatively clever ways is it fair to say

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that just sometimes even at the highest

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levels of US Government human nature

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gets in the way and people talk well I

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would say this

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um first of all we

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we in the United States and all over the

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world we owe a debt of gratitude to the

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US Congress

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for passing the legislation that allows

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this to happen now it's true Andy that

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if we have exploited the technology that

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is we've built something based on the

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meta materials or some knowledge of the

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propulsion system

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that these crafts use if we have

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something that is the United States

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government particularly the U.S Air

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Force has something that can fly

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maybe not travel through a um

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Wormhole or not travel through a portal

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warp drive to another star system but

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still something very extraordinary that

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can fly in our space

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uh nearby

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that will still be under wraps those

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non-disclosure agreements are still in

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effect

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because that's something that we built

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from something and that is a military

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advantage to the United States and to

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our allies we will not release that

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information I don't think so to to your

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point and to the point of others who've

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stated that absolutely right we will not

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disclose

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anything that we have exploited from The

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Source technology now Source technology

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is the meta materials that we may have

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gathered from Crash retrievals or I

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would dare say you know if like bigger

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parts of a craft may have uh been able

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to be recovered that type of Technology

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that's no longer under NDA because

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that's the source technology and in fact

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uh the original legislations

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called out non-human

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technology the word non-human was

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actually used in a legislation of the

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United States of America for the first

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time non-human that was in there so it

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separates what we have exploited from

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the actual technology that we may have

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collected so the actual technology in my

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opinion belongs to humanity it belongs

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to all of us it should not belong to any

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particular Sovereign government

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it may have crashed in New Mexico in the

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United States or it may have landed at

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rendersham Forest in the UK and you know

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that doesn't belong to the UK or the

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United States or any country we hear of

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um James Fox did a wonderful documentary

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about the uh of our Genia crash in

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Brazil and um the recovery of bodies now

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does that belong to the Brazilian

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government did that belong to United

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States allegedly the United States came

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in and retrieved all of that I think it

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belongs to all of us and we should know

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if we are being visited by uh non-humans

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coming to the planet I don't think the

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non-humans gonna give it darn actually

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whether it's the UK or the United States

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or Canada or Australia or Russia or

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China to them it's just planet Earth

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we're coming down the planet Earth

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um and do they understand how we

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organize ourselves geopolitically maybe

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not to us we're like different

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nationalities and different belief

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systems different cultures different

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languages to them we're earthlings one

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planet and so they may not even

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distinguish

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um that they're Landing in The Sovereign

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territory of the United States they

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probably have no concept of of a

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sovereign country on this planet so

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that's why I think it belongs to all of

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humanity and that's why I applaud the

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work of San Marino that little country

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in Italy and their project Titan in

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order to like move this forward uh into

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the international Arena Under the

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Umbrella of the United Nations

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because I'm sure like

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countries would not want to give up

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anything

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um unless it was under some

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International agreement there's some

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memorandum of under understanding or

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memorandum of agreement amongst all

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these countries to do so and so I'm a

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strong proponent of doing that and I

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hope that disclosure ultimately will

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lead to the United States getting out of

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this UFO Monopoly that we've had since

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1947 if not before

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on 1947 so it's a monopoly more so than

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a truth embargo

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truth embargo I can understand why

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people say truth embargo but if there

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was a truth embargo you wouldn't hear

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anything

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but you're hearing more than hints and

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we got three videos

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um so it's not really a truth embargo I

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believe it's more of a monopoly that we

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want to monopolize this technology

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because we did something fantastic with

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it but what we did the United States

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when I say we United States they did

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something that has some kind of military

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capability

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and so that's what they're protecting

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um should they do that I don't believe

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so I believe we should eventually

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release the source technology to the

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United Nations and let civilian

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scientists work on it because in the

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government side

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um it's so stovepipe and compartmented

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these stove pipes you may have a team

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working on metamaterials

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and you might have another team working

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on meta materials and these two teams

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may have some inkling that there's

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another team but when one team hits a

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roadblock and can't go anymore they

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cannot collaborate with the other team

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who may have gone further so there's no

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cooperation even within

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um the pro the programs to share

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information it's so like stymied at that

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level and I believe that's something

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that uh Dr Davis has stated himself that

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once a team has reached the end of its

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knowledge and resources and can't go any

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further they're out of luck

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um they can't go and collaborate but if

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we release that technology to

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civilian scientists and let civilian

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scientists do something with it other

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than build this fantastic spy plane

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that's shaped like a triangle for

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example they might benefit

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um from it by studying it and making

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that benefit

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shared with the rest of humanity you

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know there could be some way of of

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actually solving the energy crisis of

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not using fossil fuels for example just

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an example so that's what I'm proposing

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that that we do and that's what I would

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fight for after disclosure that that's a

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very important step and only that

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there's a Consciousness aspect to all of

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this

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um without the Consciousness aspect to

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this

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um just we're just studying like

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nuts and bolts you know yeah shaped like

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metal materials and what good is that

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okay now you know fantastic but there's

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a Consciousness aspect to it I believe

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the government is aware the US

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government is aware that there is a

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Consciousness aspect to this phenomenon

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um and that's why they went to

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Skinwalker because some of that

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Consciousness aspect manifests itself as

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itself as high strangeness and what is

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that all about you know what what is

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this hitchhiker effect why are people

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seeing these fantastic beings that are

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bipedal werewolves for example

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why is that happening um

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I don't know I don't have the answers to

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any of that I just know from an

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experiencer standpoint I do believe

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there's a Consciousness aspect to it and

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I believe the government knows there's a

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Consciousness aspect to it and I would

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not be surprised if the early uh

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projects dealing with for example MK

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Ultra which was behavioral modification

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or remote viewing which was the

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expansion of human consciousness

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um may have involved some kind of like

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astral like projection to go to another

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country and look at what they're working

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on

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that's all high strangeness you know

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it's it's not like sending a spy plane

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to take a picture of something you're

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sending a human mind over some place and

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how do we learn that how do we know that

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that actually could work

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um I don't know so I hope these other

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aspects particularly the Consciousness

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aspects uh become talked about

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because right now experiences are made

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to feel like they're freaks to be honest

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with you freaks that you know there's

519
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something wrong with you if you have

520
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these experiences something mentally is

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wrong with you and I don't think there's

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anything mentally wrong with anyone who

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have these experiences back in the old

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days we call them prophets channels were

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called prophets they would receive

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messages from the Divine and they were

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like share those messages with the

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people

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uh you know we we they revered them as

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prophets the people did and now they're

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like strange people you know they're

532
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just freakish people you know don't pay

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attention to them I think we need to pay

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attention to channelers and experiencers

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to help us solve the why question of why

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they're here

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before we get to the Y let me just take

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you back a step okay I'd love to know in

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your opinion how well equipped is the US

540
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government at keeping tabs on other

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countries UFO programs because a

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conversation that happens with me often

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when I'm at work or speaking to family

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and friends about UFOs the the last

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quiet all was America why is it always

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the USA you know Roswell and all these

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different incidents all those American

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Pilots American Military but but it's

549
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not it just seems to be the US is the

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canal the front leader in this so for

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example if there's a crash retrieval in

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Russia or China or uh A Nimitz Princeton

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Tic Tac type event happens with another

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nation's naval fleet are the U.S aware

555
00:22:29,570 --> 00:22:27,720
if we can detect it we are aware and

556
00:22:31,789 --> 00:22:29,580
when I say by detection

557
00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:31,799
um that's many means or one of them is

558
00:22:36,830 --> 00:22:33,840
human intelligence

559
00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:36,840
um if we recruited someone in the in a

560
00:22:40,970 --> 00:22:38,640
foreign government and they have

561
00:22:43,610 --> 00:22:40,980
knowledge of this and they're willing to

562
00:22:45,230 --> 00:22:43,620
share that with us that's one method of

563
00:22:47,450 --> 00:22:45,240
finding out what's going on in a foreign

564
00:22:50,570 --> 00:22:47,460
country secondly uh there's technical

565
00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:50,580
detection that is that we have uh

566
00:22:55,490 --> 00:22:52,799
surveillance systems uh in the sky

567
00:22:57,110 --> 00:22:55,500
Aerospace and in space and we're able to

568
00:22:59,570 --> 00:22:57,120
detect

569
00:23:01,850 --> 00:22:59,580
um a craft entering the Sovereign

570
00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:01,860
airspace of another country that's one

571
00:23:07,130 --> 00:23:04,320
method of detection as well so we do

572
00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:07,140
employ various methods of gathering

573
00:23:11,630 --> 00:23:09,600
intelligence it's all part of gathering

574
00:23:13,789 --> 00:23:11,640
intelligence to determine what's going

575
00:23:16,490 --> 00:23:13,799
on in a different country now I would

576
00:23:19,370 --> 00:23:16,500
say that perhaps with the five eyes

577
00:23:22,130 --> 00:23:19,380
which is your country the UK we have

578
00:23:24,590 --> 00:23:22,140
Australia Canada and New Zealand amongst

579
00:23:26,570 --> 00:23:24,600
the five eyes with the United States I

580
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:26,580
imagine that it might be a little more

581
00:23:30,830 --> 00:23:28,799
closer intelligent sharing

582
00:23:32,690 --> 00:23:30,840
of actual direct sharing that

583
00:23:35,029 --> 00:23:32,700
intelligence but I believe the five eyes

584
00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:35,039
other five eyes countries are waiting

585
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:37,440
for the U.S lead to do something

586
00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:39,120
and so

587
00:23:44,390 --> 00:23:41,520
when disclosure happens

588
00:23:46,190 --> 00:23:44,400
initial disclosure happens and the

589
00:23:49,250 --> 00:23:46,200
United States government then releases

590
00:23:52,070 --> 00:23:49,260
what it has what knowledge it has and

591
00:23:53,870 --> 00:23:52,080
I'm not talking about error reports I'm

592
00:23:55,430 --> 00:23:53,880
not talking about the annual reports

593
00:23:57,950 --> 00:23:55,440
from Arrow or anything like that and I'm

594
00:23:59,990 --> 00:23:57,960
talking about real disclosure of what's

595
00:24:01,970 --> 00:24:00,000
exactly going on not this Bean counting

596
00:24:04,909 --> 00:24:01,980
of how many crafted we see this past

597
00:24:07,669 --> 00:24:04,919
year but what has been going on for

598
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:07,679
decades past when the United States does

599
00:24:13,010 --> 00:24:10,799
that that opens up the door for our five

600
00:24:14,930 --> 00:24:13,020
Eye Partners to come forward and I'm

601
00:24:17,810 --> 00:24:14,940
sure Whitehall is sitting on a lot of

602
00:24:21,230 --> 00:24:17,820
information other than what was released

603
00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:21,240
um through um the custody of Nick Pope

604
00:24:25,669 --> 00:24:23,760
he had custody of the UFO files in

605
00:24:28,730 --> 00:24:25,679
Hawaii White Hall for the U.S audiences

606
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:28,740
the Pentagon for the UK the ministry of

607
00:24:33,950 --> 00:24:30,480
Defense I'm sure they have a lot of

608
00:24:35,870 --> 00:24:33,960
information that they're now feel that

609
00:24:37,970 --> 00:24:35,880
they can share because they don't nobody

610
00:24:40,730 --> 00:24:37,980
wants to go first if they're waiting for

611
00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:40,740
us to go first so once we go first I

612
00:24:44,570 --> 00:24:42,480
hope that other countries were joined

613
00:24:47,210 --> 00:24:44,580
especially five ice countries that would

614
00:24:50,510 --> 00:24:47,220
join and then Latin America and Africa

615
00:24:52,250 --> 00:24:50,520
there were events that occurred the

616
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:52,260
aerial incident in Africa for example

617
00:24:57,789 --> 00:24:54,960
and I mentioned already uh uh Virginia

618
00:25:00,289 --> 00:24:57,799
in in Brazil there are other incidents

619
00:25:02,210 --> 00:25:00,299
with data collected by these foreign

620
00:25:04,549 --> 00:25:02,220
governments that they might be more

621
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:04,559
comfortable with releasing once the U.S

622
00:25:09,470 --> 00:25:06,960
takes that first step

623
00:25:11,270 --> 00:25:09,480
I know the UK from I can speak from a UK

624
00:25:14,990 --> 00:25:11,280
point of view the people in charge of

625
00:25:17,390 --> 00:25:15,000
whatever UFO data we have are far more

626
00:25:20,510 --> 00:25:17,400
successful than the US are keeping

627
00:25:22,669 --> 00:25:20,520
themselves in the shadows and out of the

628
00:25:25,549 --> 00:25:22,679
Limelight and they are very much not

629
00:25:27,890 --> 00:25:25,559
very well known so if no one at all

630
00:25:30,110 --> 00:25:27,900
um for whatever Nick Pope's role was

631
00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:30,120
back in the day in the 90s at the mod it

632
00:25:33,409 --> 00:25:31,440
was more administrative it certainly

633
00:25:36,649 --> 00:25:33,419
seems like yeah he said as much himself

634
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:36,659
I think these days but we don't have a

635
00:25:42,769 --> 00:25:40,559
Louis zondo or a Chris melon or an arrow

636
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:42,779
office or a doctor Sean Patrick or a

637
00:25:46,610 --> 00:25:44,400
senator gillibrand sticking up for the

638
00:25:49,250 --> 00:25:46,620
UFO subject just don't have that in the

639
00:25:51,289 --> 00:25:49,260
US is massively taking the lead on that

640
00:25:53,810 --> 00:25:51,299
so that's that's why that conversation

641
00:25:56,450 --> 00:25:53,820
happens I'd love to know though do you

642
00:25:58,370 --> 00:25:56,460
think Dr Sean Kirkpatrick you mentioned

643
00:26:00,350 --> 00:25:58,380
on the little files that there's a range

644
00:26:02,570 --> 00:26:00,360
of different systems and Radars that

645
00:26:05,029 --> 00:26:02,580
keep track of all sorts of objects in

646
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:05,039
the skies and with the recent shutdowns

647
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:06,960
of the the UAP or balloons or whatever

648
00:26:09,810 --> 00:26:08,400
for their way out in February over

649
00:26:10,250 --> 00:26:09,820
Canada and the US

650
00:26:11,149 --> 00:26:10,260
[Music]

651
00:26:13,789 --> 00:26:11,159
um

652
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:13,799
that there were various filters that had

653
00:26:17,630 --> 00:26:15,600
to be adjusted so they could be picked

654
00:26:20,750 --> 00:26:17,640
up because the radar was only detecting

655
00:26:22,850 --> 00:26:20,760
certain objects that's been reasonably

656
00:26:25,070 --> 00:26:22,860
kind of discussed everywhere about and I

657
00:26:27,049 --> 00:26:25,080
just wonder given the amount of data

658
00:26:29,450 --> 00:26:27,059
that the US government and departments

659
00:26:31,310 --> 00:26:29,460
within that stove types and others they

660
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:31,320
must have an incredible amount of real

661
00:26:38,029 --> 00:26:34,320
serious compelling data on true genuine

662
00:26:40,909 --> 00:26:38,039
UFO UAP incidents is it that Dr Sean

663
00:26:43,730 --> 00:26:40,919
Kirkpatrick hasn't seen that data or is

664
00:26:46,130 --> 00:26:43,740
he lying about not having seen it well I

665
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:46,140
would say uh Dr Kirkpatrick and anyone

666
00:26:50,210 --> 00:26:47,760
from the Pentagon side any from the US

667
00:26:52,970 --> 00:26:50,220
government when we answer questions we

668
00:26:55,370 --> 00:26:52,980
answered the literal question and we do

669
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:55,380
not volunteer any more information than

670
00:26:59,269 --> 00:26:56,880
what was asked

671
00:27:02,269 --> 00:26:59,279
so let's go from there

672
00:27:04,010 --> 00:27:02,279
um uh to your previous question in the

673
00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:04,020
UK you have something that we do not

674
00:27:07,250 --> 00:27:05,520
have in the United States and that's the

675
00:27:10,610 --> 00:27:07,260
Osa you know what that is that's the

676
00:27:13,789 --> 00:27:10,620
official secret act yeah we don't have

677
00:27:14,570 --> 00:27:13,799
that and so in the UK

678
00:27:18,950 --> 00:27:14,580
um

679
00:27:21,230 --> 00:27:18,960
that Osa is primarily what's dampening

680
00:27:23,570 --> 00:27:21,240
down this information so if there is an

681
00:27:25,730 --> 00:27:23,580
error like office in the UK you would

682
00:27:28,850 --> 00:27:25,740
never hear it and no one's going to say

683
00:27:31,610 --> 00:27:28,860
anything about it but in the U.S uh once

684
00:27:34,549 --> 00:27:31,620
anything gets leaked out it's it's gone

685
00:27:37,130 --> 00:27:34,559
it's it's out there and in the US we

686
00:27:40,190 --> 00:27:37,140
cannot prosecute journalists for leaking

687
00:27:41,450 --> 00:27:40,200
classified information we can prosecute

688
00:27:43,610 --> 00:27:41,460
the leaker

689
00:27:45,169 --> 00:27:43,620
but not the means of leakage because we

690
00:27:47,210 --> 00:27:45,179
are protected by the First Amendment

691
00:27:49,789 --> 00:27:47,220
freedom of speech which protects the

692
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:49,799
press and which protects journalists now

693
00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:51,840
to answer the question about Dr

694
00:27:56,570 --> 00:27:54,000
Kirkpatrick he is on the Department of

695
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:56,580
Defense side of the equation and so

696
00:28:00,649 --> 00:27:58,320
there's the Department of Defense and

697
00:28:03,950 --> 00:28:00,659
they have certain authorities under the

698
00:28:08,149 --> 00:28:03,960
U.S code the United States code title 10

699
00:28:12,289 --> 00:28:08,159
which uh is the law that manages and

700
00:28:14,570 --> 00:28:12,299
regulates the uniform services of the

701
00:28:16,970 --> 00:28:14,580
United States and there's title 50 which

702
00:28:19,490 --> 00:28:16,980
is the civilian side of the intelligence

703
00:28:22,850 --> 00:28:19,500
Community mostly CIA

704
00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:22,860
and so he has access to anything in the

705
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:24,240
Department of Defense

706
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:26,880
anything and everything he has access to

707
00:28:33,169 --> 00:28:30,960
because his boss and his boss's boss

708
00:28:35,390 --> 00:28:33,179
can compel

709
00:28:38,330 --> 00:28:35,400
access to that information from the

710
00:28:39,950 --> 00:28:38,340
Department so his boss is is the under

711
00:28:42,590 --> 00:28:39,960
secretary of defense for intelligence

712
00:28:45,950 --> 00:28:42,600
and security and uh that's Mr Moultrie

713
00:28:49,250 --> 00:28:45,960
who testified in the earlier hearing and

714
00:28:51,049 --> 00:28:49,260
then Mr moultrie's Boss is uh Secretary

715
00:28:54,529 --> 00:28:51,059
of Defense Austin

716
00:28:56,269 --> 00:28:54,539
and his boss is the president so

717
00:28:58,130 --> 00:28:56,279
in the Department of Defense if they

718
00:29:00,169 --> 00:28:58,140
have any information

719
00:29:02,210 --> 00:29:00,179
um it can't be withheld from Dr

720
00:29:04,370 --> 00:29:02,220
Kirkpatrick he can compel that because

721
00:29:06,529 --> 00:29:04,380
he has the authorities to do so he also

722
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:06,539
has legislation to do so

723
00:29:11,210 --> 00:29:08,640
not the same over the title 50 side

724
00:29:13,490 --> 00:29:11,220
which is Cia the CIA is not part of the

725
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:13,500
Department of Defense is separate from

726
00:29:19,669 --> 00:29:17,039
the Department of Defense and it is an

727
00:29:21,529 --> 00:29:19,679
independent intelligence agency it is

728
00:29:23,870 --> 00:29:21,539
answerable to the Director of National

729
00:29:26,570 --> 00:29:23,880
Intelligence Avril Haynes who is

730
00:29:29,570 --> 00:29:26,580
answerable to her boss who is President

731
00:29:31,490 --> 00:29:29,580
Joe Biden so there's that chain as well

732
00:29:34,130 --> 00:29:31,500
so

733
00:29:38,810 --> 00:29:34,140
I would say that Dr Kirkpatrick and his

734
00:29:40,130 --> 00:29:38,820
predecessors may have had difficulty it

735
00:29:42,350 --> 00:29:40,140
may have been challenging to get

736
00:29:45,230 --> 00:29:42,360
anything out of CIA

737
00:29:47,269 --> 00:29:45,240
there's very little coming out of CIA on

738
00:29:48,830 --> 00:29:47,279
this issue other than what CIA is

739
00:29:50,990 --> 00:29:48,840
willing to release

740
00:29:52,909 --> 00:29:51,000
um through uh

741
00:29:55,610 --> 00:29:52,919
that's foil

742
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:55,620
process and there's also a database

743
00:30:00,409 --> 00:29:58,080
where you can look up foil documents

744
00:30:03,049 --> 00:30:00,419
related to UFOs I understand there's

745
00:30:06,769 --> 00:30:03,059
like over 10 000 of them uh John

746
00:30:09,289 --> 00:30:06,779
Greenwald has a vast majority of them

747
00:30:12,769 --> 00:30:09,299
related to UFOs

748
00:30:14,389 --> 00:30:12,779
so does that but

749
00:30:17,570 --> 00:30:14,399
one thing that people should understand

750
00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:17,580
is that just because it's in a CIA

751
00:30:25,430 --> 00:30:21,840
archive that it is not a CIA document

752
00:30:27,470 --> 00:30:25,440
so you get the uh a misconception is the

753
00:30:29,810 --> 00:30:27,480
Gateway process paper

754
00:30:32,690 --> 00:30:29,820
that was found in the CIA archives and

755
00:30:34,789 --> 00:30:32,700
it says it's a CIA document it is not it

756
00:30:36,529 --> 00:30:34,799
is a U.S Army intelligence and security

757
00:30:39,409 --> 00:30:36,539
command document

758
00:30:40,130 --> 00:30:39,419
that some analysts at CIA wanted to know

759
00:30:43,730 --> 00:30:40,140
about

760
00:30:45,070 --> 00:30:43,740
and at had CIA go fetch that document

761
00:30:47,690 --> 00:30:45,080
when it was

762
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:47,700
written so they could be placed in the

763
00:30:52,669 --> 00:30:50,640
archives for the analysts to use so a

764
00:30:55,610 --> 00:30:52,679
lot of these documents are not

765
00:30:58,549 --> 00:30:55,620
originating from CIA but it does show

766
00:31:00,470 --> 00:30:58,559
that some analysts ncia had an interest

767
00:31:03,169 --> 00:31:00,480
in that topic

768
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:03,179
and so that that's the value of looking

769
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:06,240
at who's the source of that document

770
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:07,919
um so

771
00:31:13,930 --> 00:31:12,240
it Dr Kirkpatrick said that there's no

772
00:31:16,370 --> 00:31:13,940
evidence of

773
00:31:20,090 --> 00:31:16,380
extraterrestrials no credible evidence

774
00:31:23,690 --> 00:31:20,100
no credit what he's basically saying is

775
00:31:26,450 --> 00:31:23,700
that based on the data that I collected

776
00:31:29,450 --> 00:31:26,460
from Arrow

777
00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:29,460
from military observers mostly

778
00:31:35,330 --> 00:31:32,880
that I cannot look at that data and say

779
00:31:37,549 --> 00:31:35,340
that's extraterrestrial

780
00:31:40,250 --> 00:31:37,559
and that's a true statement because he

781
00:31:41,510 --> 00:31:40,260
showed some of a metallic orb flying

782
00:31:43,970 --> 00:31:41,520
across

783
00:31:47,870 --> 00:31:43,980
um the MQ-9

784
00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:47,880
um predator drone cameras and he's just

785
00:31:52,130 --> 00:31:50,399
okay that's a sphere going across just

786
00:31:53,990 --> 00:31:52,140
looking at that sphere can you say okay

787
00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:54,000
that came from another planet

788
00:31:59,630 --> 00:31:57,600
no you cannot so who would have that

789
00:32:02,810 --> 00:31:59,640
data that says it came from another

790
00:32:04,370 --> 00:32:02,820
planet or you know we saw it come out of

791
00:32:07,490 --> 00:32:04,380
a portal

792
00:32:09,529 --> 00:32:07,500
um and arrive on Earth um that might be

793
00:32:11,690 --> 00:32:09,539
more toward the civilian side on the

794
00:32:16,010 --> 00:32:11,700
intelligence Community more under the

795
00:32:19,850 --> 00:32:16,020
purview of dni Avril Haynes

796
00:32:21,470 --> 00:32:19,860
because she said that we have to also

797
00:32:23,090 --> 00:32:21,480
account that they may be coming to us

798
00:32:26,690 --> 00:32:23,100
extraterrestrally

799
00:32:28,669 --> 00:32:26,700
she said that in her address at the um

800
00:32:31,789 --> 00:32:28,679
future in space

801
00:32:34,370 --> 00:32:31,799
um One Day evening conference that they

802
00:32:35,690 --> 00:32:34,380
had in the National Cathedral if we

803
00:32:39,649 --> 00:32:35,700
remember that I think it happened in

804
00:32:41,930 --> 00:32:39,659
November of 2021 after the first UAP

805
00:32:44,269 --> 00:32:41,940
task force report was released it may be

806
00:32:46,789 --> 00:32:44,279
coming to us extraterrestrably if you

807
00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:46,799
look at the statements made by former

808
00:32:52,810 --> 00:32:49,679
directors of CIA and former directors of

809
00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:52,820
Central Intelligence in that role

810
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:55,200
they managed the entire intelligence

811
00:33:00,110 --> 00:32:58,320
Community before 2005. there was a

812
00:33:01,970 --> 00:33:00,120
director of Central Intelligence which

813
00:33:04,490 --> 00:33:01,980
managed the entire intelligence

814
00:33:08,510 --> 00:33:04,500
community and that person also managed

815
00:33:09,950 --> 00:33:08,520
the CIA as director of CIA before 2005 a

816
00:33:12,590 --> 00:33:09,960
lot of these folks are coming forward

817
00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:12,600
and saying well you know when I was DCI

818
00:33:17,029 --> 00:33:15,360
director of Central Intelligence I had

819
00:33:19,310 --> 00:33:17,039
knowledge of this and that and whatever

820
00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:19,320
you know that they may be a lot more

821
00:33:22,909 --> 00:33:20,880
information out there than what we're

822
00:33:26,269 --> 00:33:22,919
releasing to you and that's from the

823
00:33:28,250 --> 00:33:26,279
civilian side you have never heard a

824
00:33:29,330 --> 00:33:28,260
secretary of defense make that same

825
00:33:31,789 --> 00:33:29,340
statement

826
00:33:35,690 --> 00:33:31,799
never it's always on

827
00:33:38,149 --> 00:33:35,700
the civilian side of intelligence and so

828
00:33:40,970 --> 00:33:38,159
um I think disclosure will probably push

829
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:40,980
be pushed from that side

830
00:33:45,289 --> 00:33:43,440
as well and probably less so from the

831
00:33:47,450 --> 00:33:45,299
Department of Defense side because they

832
00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:47,460
do have equities to protect

833
00:33:50,930 --> 00:33:49,200
and that is whatever we may have

834
00:33:52,850 --> 00:33:50,940
exploited from the original technology

835
00:33:55,789 --> 00:33:52,860
to Source technology they don't want

836
00:33:58,310 --> 00:33:55,799
that released any discussion of

837
00:34:01,190 --> 00:33:58,320
legitimate UFOs uaps whatever you want

838
00:34:03,710 --> 00:34:01,200
to call them not from Earth non-human

839
00:34:05,690 --> 00:34:03,720
technology any discussion of that might

840
00:34:08,810 --> 00:34:05,700
lead back to

841
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:08,820
a look into a possibility that we may

842
00:34:11,750 --> 00:34:10,800
have exploited that technology for our

843
00:34:14,210 --> 00:34:11,760
use

844
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:14,220
and so they don't want that to happen so

845
00:34:19,909 --> 00:34:17,520
Congress wisely said okay Air Force Navy

846
00:34:22,849 --> 00:34:19,919
whoever you can keep that technology

847
00:34:24,589 --> 00:34:22,859
hidden we will not ask about that we

848
00:34:25,730 --> 00:34:24,599
just want to know about the non-human

849
00:34:28,250 --> 00:34:25,740
stuff

850
00:34:31,310 --> 00:34:28,260
and I think the lead for that will not

851
00:34:32,750 --> 00:34:31,320
be Errol but it will be on the civilian

852
00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:32,760
side of intelligence in the United

853
00:34:39,050 --> 00:34:36,720
States to come forward with that

854
00:34:40,310 --> 00:34:39,060
so you've mentioned the Air Force there

855
00:34:42,050 --> 00:34:40,320
and I know that's something I've heard

856
00:34:44,089 --> 00:34:42,060
you recently it was it was possibly on

857
00:34:46,369 --> 00:34:44,099
the Jimmy Church appearance that you put

858
00:34:49,730 --> 00:34:46,379
it on Fade to Black uh you mentioned

859
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:49,740
that any confirmation of our non-human

860
00:34:53,629 --> 00:34:51,599
intelligence making up any number of

861
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:53,639
these encounters would have a big impact

862
00:34:58,190 --> 00:34:55,919
on the Air Force and I think that that's

863
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:58,200
obvious to many and we automatically

864
00:35:02,810 --> 00:34:59,760
assume that would be a negative impact

865
00:35:05,810 --> 00:35:02,820
but I wonder do you see or can you think

866
00:35:09,410 --> 00:35:05,820
of any upside for the Air Force in this

867
00:35:13,849 --> 00:35:12,410
um I'm a big Star Trek fan and

868
00:35:16,130 --> 00:35:13,859
um there was an episode of Star Trek

869
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:16,140
where Mr Sparks said that military

870
00:35:21,349 --> 00:35:18,720
secrets are the most fleeting of all and

871
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:21,359
it was referring to the Romulan cloaking

872
00:35:26,390 --> 00:35:23,760
device in that episode

873
00:35:28,310 --> 00:35:26,400
that the Romulan cloaking device is a

874
00:35:30,230 --> 00:35:28,320
military secret of the romulans and it

875
00:35:32,030 --> 00:35:30,240
is and just in general military secrets

876
00:35:34,609 --> 00:35:32,040
are fleeting and I think this also

877
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:34,619
refers to what the Pentagon has because

878
00:35:39,230 --> 00:35:38,160
in most censuses when there are projects

879
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:39,240
like this

880
00:35:47,870 --> 00:35:42,480
uh eventually we get to see them in

881
00:35:49,730 --> 00:35:47,880
action so I'll take the F-117 Nighthawk

882
00:35:53,329 --> 00:35:49,740
um the the stealth aircraft that made

883
00:35:55,910 --> 00:35:53,339
its debut in the first Gulf War and the

884
00:35:57,710 --> 00:35:55,920
early 90s that that aircraft was in

885
00:36:01,310 --> 00:35:57,720
development for decades

886
00:36:04,670 --> 00:36:01,320
for decades and in fact I know these CIA

887
00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:04,680
physicists who did a lot of the work on

888
00:36:09,890 --> 00:36:07,520
that aircraft from the CIA perspective

889
00:36:12,650 --> 00:36:09,900
as a weapons intelligence analyst

890
00:36:16,430 --> 00:36:12,660
because he knew uh exactly what our

891
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:16,440
adversaries had and helped model that

892
00:36:20,990 --> 00:36:18,480
aircraft based on adversarial

893
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:21,000
capabilities to detect that aircraft

894
00:36:26,329 --> 00:36:24,480
and so that was being worked on for like

895
00:36:29,450 --> 00:36:26,339
a decade or more

896
00:36:32,630 --> 00:36:29,460
before he even saw it fly

897
00:36:35,510 --> 00:36:32,640
and so again with this

898
00:36:37,849 --> 00:36:35,520
people have actually I believe seeing

899
00:36:40,190 --> 00:36:37,859
some of this technology and whether it's

900
00:36:41,930 --> 00:36:40,200
called the tr-3b black Mantra or

901
00:36:44,690 --> 00:36:41,940
whatever the name

902
00:36:45,589 --> 00:36:44,700
um I don't know what the name is but I

903
00:36:48,890 --> 00:36:45,599
believe that there's something

904
00:36:51,170 --> 00:36:48,900
extraordinary flying in Aerospace above

905
00:36:53,630 --> 00:36:51,180
the atmosphere not necessarily in space

906
00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:53,640
but Aerospace with a remarkable

907
00:36:59,230 --> 00:36:55,920
propulsion Technologies and the ability

908
00:37:03,410 --> 00:36:59,240
to stay hidden and persistent coverage

909
00:37:06,890 --> 00:37:03,420
staying hidden over a Target area is the

910
00:37:08,270 --> 00:37:06,900
golden nuggets that the Air Force would

911
00:37:10,490 --> 00:37:08,280
like to keep Secret

912
00:37:12,589 --> 00:37:10,500
so that we can fly over an area of

913
00:37:15,349 --> 00:37:12,599
interest and monitor what that country

914
00:37:17,750 --> 00:37:15,359
is doing persistently and a satellite

915
00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:17,760
you know it flies across the sky we see

916
00:37:22,790 --> 00:37:19,920
satellites all the time and a lot of our

917
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:22,800
satellites that take pictures are in

918
00:37:27,950 --> 00:37:24,960
lower Earth orbit they call it Leo

919
00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:27,960
lowers orbit and

920
00:37:32,089 --> 00:37:30,000
they're like zipping across the sky so

921
00:37:34,609 --> 00:37:32,099
they don't have a long dual time

922
00:37:37,069 --> 00:37:34,619
over any Target and they're busy

923
00:37:39,710 --> 00:37:37,079
collecting images on something called a

924
00:37:42,650 --> 00:37:39,720
collection deck so at this time on this

925
00:37:45,770 --> 00:37:42,660
orbit Point your camera here and take a

926
00:37:48,650 --> 00:37:45,780
snap a swath snapshot and then over here

927
00:37:49,370 --> 00:37:48,660
take another Suave snapshot and keep on

928
00:37:51,950 --> 00:37:49,380
going

929
00:37:54,890 --> 00:37:51,960
and so you may have like

930
00:37:57,230 --> 00:37:54,900
maybe a minute or so over any Horizon

931
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:57,240
The Horizon area that's it from space

932
00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:59,040
you might see a little more but the

933
00:38:03,230 --> 00:38:00,720
point being is that

934
00:38:05,089 --> 00:38:03,240
it's orbiting so once you fly over an

935
00:38:07,069 --> 00:38:05,099
area interest you're already over

936
00:38:08,690 --> 00:38:07,079
another area of Interest wouldn't it be

937
00:38:10,670 --> 00:38:08,700
wonderful just to sit on top of

938
00:38:12,650 --> 00:38:10,680
something and just collect collect

939
00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:12,660
collect and if it's extraordinary

940
00:38:16,730 --> 00:38:14,160
propulsion technology maybe it doesn't

941
00:38:18,589 --> 00:38:16,740
need to be refueled as much you know I

942
00:38:21,170 --> 00:38:18,599
mean maybe that's what they're keeping

943
00:38:24,170 --> 00:38:21,180
uh hidden away

944
00:38:26,690 --> 00:38:24,180
um so will we ever get that maybe if we

945
00:38:29,450 --> 00:38:26,700
need to use it in a war maybe we'll roll

946
00:38:30,530 --> 00:38:29,460
it out like we did the F-117 we rolled

947
00:38:32,990 --> 00:38:30,540
it out

948
00:38:34,910 --> 00:38:33,000
um uh for the Gulf War if if it's

949
00:38:36,170 --> 00:38:34,920
serious enough conflict where we needed

950
00:38:38,569 --> 00:38:36,180
that

951
00:38:41,510 --> 00:38:38,579
um we might do it but once you roll it

952
00:38:44,089 --> 00:38:41,520
out that's it you know it's cat's out of

953
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:44,099
the bag as the saying goes

954
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:46,800
um now the adversaries uh know what you

955
00:38:52,190 --> 00:38:49,920
have and right now the Air Force

956
00:38:54,290 --> 00:38:52,200
does not want any of our adversaries to

957
00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:54,300
know what we have

958
00:38:59,390 --> 00:38:56,160
I think there's always that idea that

959
00:39:01,609 --> 00:38:59,400
we're we're 20 or 30 years ahead of what

960
00:39:03,470 --> 00:39:01,619
we see and that's why I laughed I think

961
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:03,480
last year I was at China put on and I

962
00:39:07,069 --> 00:39:04,800
think every country does this but it was

963
00:39:08,870 --> 00:39:07,079
a big deal that China's military export

964
00:39:10,670 --> 00:39:08,880
news China's latest hardware and you

965
00:39:12,170 --> 00:39:10,680
look to mean it's clearly not China's

966
00:39:14,569 --> 00:39:12,180
latest Hardware because they would not

967
00:39:17,450 --> 00:39:14,579
be displaying it for everyone to look at

968
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:17,460
if that's what the best of the best on

969
00:39:21,349 --> 00:39:19,200
the civilian side of things oh did you

970
00:39:24,349 --> 00:39:21,359
ever have a conversation or ever private

971
00:39:26,030 --> 00:39:24,359
to the idea that commercial Technologies

972
00:39:28,010 --> 00:39:26,040
for the members of the general public

973
00:39:30,050 --> 00:39:28,020
are getting so much better than they

974
00:39:32,089 --> 00:39:30,060
ever were you know camera equipment

975
00:39:34,609 --> 00:39:32,099
drone equipment people have got some

976
00:39:36,349 --> 00:39:34,619
very incredible bits of Kit just on your

977
00:39:37,490 --> 00:39:36,359
everyday you know your back Garden or a

978
00:39:40,010 --> 00:39:37,500
shed

979
00:39:41,750 --> 00:39:40,020
was I felt the idea that members of the

980
00:39:45,050 --> 00:39:41,760
public are going to get better at

981
00:39:47,150 --> 00:39:45,060
picking up evidence of a potential alien

982
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:47,160
craft or non-human intelligence and what

983
00:39:50,569 --> 00:39:48,480
that could mean

984
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:50,579
uh not while I was working at CIA

985
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:53,040
because I left the 2009 and a lot of

986
00:39:58,190 --> 00:39:56,400
that technology was nascent so the what

987
00:40:00,410 --> 00:39:58,200
we were looking at is

988
00:40:02,630 --> 00:40:00,420
um we're looking at the future of Wi-Fi

989
00:40:06,109 --> 00:40:02,640
we're looking at the future of cellular

990
00:40:10,190 --> 00:40:06,119
technology and so I remember discussions

991
00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:10,200
when 3G was all in Vogue that NSA had

992
00:40:16,010 --> 00:40:13,280
some challenges with collecting 3G

993
00:40:19,010 --> 00:40:16,020
Communications so that's in the past and

994
00:40:21,050 --> 00:40:19,020
now it's 4G and now we have 5G so you

995
00:40:24,890 --> 00:40:21,060
know it's the technology in the civilian

996
00:40:26,750 --> 00:40:24,900
sector always exceeds the ability of the

997
00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:26,760
government to collect against that

998
00:40:30,970 --> 00:40:29,280
technology they're always ahead and

999
00:40:34,130 --> 00:40:30,980
we're always playing catch-up as seams

1000
00:40:36,290 --> 00:40:34,140
but I think that

1001
00:40:38,210 --> 00:40:36,300
uh I think we're catching up you know

1002
00:40:40,609 --> 00:40:38,220
there's certain areas that we're finally

1003
00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:40,619
catching up one area we're behind is I

1004
00:40:45,349 --> 00:40:43,920
think uh AI artificial intelligence I

1005
00:40:47,450 --> 00:40:45,359
think there's an awareness of it in the

1006
00:40:49,130 --> 00:40:47,460
government but we're reading press

1007
00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:49,140
reports that you know that the

1008
00:40:53,930 --> 00:40:50,880
government is really taking AI seriously

1009
00:40:55,970 --> 00:40:53,940
but it's already been out there so you

1010
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:55,980
know how do you tackle that but to your

1011
00:41:00,410 --> 00:40:58,560
point yeah um technology is always

1012
00:41:01,849 --> 00:41:00,420
advancing faster than the ability of the

1013
00:41:02,990 --> 00:41:01,859
intelligence Community to catch up with

1014
00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:03,000
that technology

1015
00:41:07,970 --> 00:41:05,760
and that's the challenge so

1016
00:41:09,650 --> 00:41:07,980
um they're always looking at projects to

1017
00:41:12,349 --> 00:41:09,660
try to predict what would that

1018
00:41:15,890 --> 00:41:12,359
technology be and in some areas there

1019
00:41:17,930 --> 00:41:15,900
Leaps and Bounds advancements

1020
00:41:21,170 --> 00:41:17,940
and in other areas they're still like

1021
00:41:23,329 --> 00:41:21,180
far behind but in general I think that's

1022
00:41:26,569 --> 00:41:23,339
a true statement Andy that you know that

1023
00:41:29,089 --> 00:41:26,579
the civilian technology is advancing now

1024
00:41:32,270 --> 00:41:29,099
with the um

1025
00:41:34,609 --> 00:41:32,280
UAP detection by civilians

1026
00:41:38,450 --> 00:41:34,619
if I understand right and if I go back

1027
00:41:43,310 --> 00:41:38,460
over Dr Patrick's transcripts

1028
00:41:45,710 --> 00:41:43,320
of his testimony before the Senate armed

1029
00:41:47,569 --> 00:41:45,720
service committee I did he think he

1030
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:47,579
mentions civilians being incorporated

1031
00:41:51,050 --> 00:41:48,720
into

1032
00:41:54,589 --> 00:41:51,060
arrow that civilian data should be

1033
00:41:57,890 --> 00:41:54,599
incorporated into arrow and that Arrow

1034
00:42:00,770 --> 00:41:57,900
should be willing to do so the reason

1035
00:42:04,270 --> 00:42:00,780
why they don't is because

1036
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:04,280
um government data the sensor systems

1037
00:42:10,190 --> 00:42:07,200
flown by the military and the civilian

1038
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:10,200
intelligence Community those are what we

1039
00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:12,720
call instrumented systems I mean they're

1040
00:42:18,890 --> 00:42:16,800
modeled against known signatures and so

1041
00:42:21,770 --> 00:42:18,900
we know the response of that census

1042
00:42:26,210 --> 00:42:21,780
system to a known signature

1043
00:42:29,530 --> 00:42:26,220
so when you go buy a psionics Aurora Pro

1044
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:29,540
Camera which only operates at 980

1045
00:42:34,670 --> 00:42:32,640
nanometers in that IR band it's a very

1046
00:42:35,810 --> 00:42:34,680
narrow one channel

1047
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:35,820
um

1048
00:42:40,130 --> 00:42:38,160
it's inadequate really to get the

1049
00:42:44,089 --> 00:42:40,140
information that we need because what we

1050
00:42:47,150 --> 00:42:44,099
have may look at many many many bands of

1051
00:42:49,069 --> 00:42:47,160
infrared it's called hyper spectral many

1052
00:42:51,250 --> 00:42:49,079
many bands so that's what we're flying

1053
00:42:54,170 --> 00:42:51,260
now that we can look at something

1054
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:54,180
and model it because we know the

1055
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:56,640
characteristics of the sensor and we can

1056
00:43:02,150 --> 00:43:00,480
then detect not just one band of ir but

1057
00:43:05,150 --> 00:43:02,160
many many bands to characterize that

1058
00:43:08,990 --> 00:43:05,160
object in total that's what Kirkpatrick

1059
00:43:10,490 --> 00:43:09,000
has access to does he want to go just oh

1060
00:43:12,349 --> 00:43:10,500
that's interesting you have a light in

1061
00:43:14,690 --> 00:43:12,359
the sky

1062
00:43:16,849 --> 00:43:14,700
um that doesn't do them any good

1063
00:43:18,170 --> 00:43:16,859
most people you know what they do when

1064
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:18,180
they see a light in the sky that's

1065
00:43:22,910 --> 00:43:19,200
unusual

1066
00:43:24,770 --> 00:43:22,920
it's a natural human thing to you want

1067
00:43:26,569 --> 00:43:24,780
to zoom in on it and you want to follow

1068
00:43:28,670 --> 00:43:26,579
it everywhere you go you wouldn't

1069
00:43:30,890 --> 00:43:28,680
believe how much metadata you lose by

1070
00:43:33,109 --> 00:43:30,900
doing that because what you want to do

1071
00:43:35,150 --> 00:43:33,119
is reference it we need to know exactly

1072
00:43:37,130 --> 00:43:35,160
where you were where the camera was

1073
00:43:39,230 --> 00:43:37,140
pointed the latitude and longitude of

1074
00:43:42,829 --> 00:43:39,240
your position the angle of the camera

1075
00:43:45,349 --> 00:43:42,839
the weather conditions the temperature

1076
00:43:47,270 --> 00:43:45,359
at various levels and elevation in the

1077
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:47,280
atmosphere everything we need as

1078
00:43:51,410 --> 00:43:49,440
metadata in order to understand what

1079
00:43:53,630 --> 00:43:51,420
what you're seeing and please don't move

1080
00:43:56,270 --> 00:43:53,640
the camera because we lose all velocity

1081
00:43:58,609 --> 00:43:56,280
information once you move the camera the

1082
00:44:00,589 --> 00:43:58,619
object stays still if you leave the

1083
00:44:03,050 --> 00:44:00,599
camera locked on and the object move is

1084
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:03,060
moving against a backdrop you can at

1085
00:44:06,650 --> 00:44:04,800
least get an estimate of its velocity

1086
00:44:08,210 --> 00:44:06,660
and so that's something that civilians

1087
00:44:09,530 --> 00:44:08,220
don't understand when they're collecting

1088
00:44:11,870 --> 00:44:09,540
because they're just looking at the G

1089
00:44:13,670 --> 00:44:11,880
whiz factor I got something great great

1090
00:44:15,530 --> 00:44:13,680
advice for anyone listening who's going

1091
00:44:17,329 --> 00:44:15,540
to be filming something yet right but

1092
00:44:19,730 --> 00:44:17,339
you know I mean

1093
00:44:21,710 --> 00:44:19,740
people aren't going to do that you want

1094
00:44:23,329 --> 00:44:21,720
a really cool video to put on UFO

1095
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:23,339
Twitter you're going to follow that

1096
00:44:25,970 --> 00:44:24,720
object and you're going to zoom in and

1097
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:25,980
out of it

1098
00:44:31,309 --> 00:44:28,800
um and that just destroys a lot of data

1099
00:44:34,069 --> 00:44:31,319
that could be used but having said that

1100
00:44:36,349 --> 00:44:34,079
when Kirkpatrick says civilian I think

1101
00:44:38,210 --> 00:44:36,359
he's looking at Academia yeah

1102
00:44:41,690 --> 00:44:38,220
um for example like he co-authored a

1103
00:44:43,790 --> 00:44:41,700
paper with Dr Abby Loeb yeah right and

1104
00:44:46,010 --> 00:44:43,800
so that's what he's looking he's hinting

1105
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:46,020
at that we need to bring in civilian

1106
00:44:50,450 --> 00:44:48,480
experts in Academia

1107
00:44:52,190 --> 00:44:50,460
um to look at this problem right now

1108
00:44:54,589 --> 00:44:52,200
they're being blocked off because they

1109
00:44:57,890 --> 00:44:54,599
don't have the clearances

1110
00:45:00,410 --> 00:44:57,900
to look at UAP data which should not be

1111
00:45:02,510 --> 00:45:00,420
classified because it's just UAP data

1112
00:45:05,089 --> 00:45:02,520
it's something in the sky that we don't

1113
00:45:06,829 --> 00:45:05,099
understand why classify that because

1114
00:45:09,530 --> 00:45:06,839
you're limiting the understanding of it

1115
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:09,540
we want more Minds to look at that

1116
00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:11,040
and maybe they have a better

1117
00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:13,440
understanding of what's going on

1118
00:45:17,809 --> 00:45:16,319
I think that's one of the uh complaints

1119
00:45:19,309 --> 00:45:17,819
of a lot of Civilian scientists is that

1120
00:45:21,470 --> 00:45:19,319
we're locked out of this

1121
00:45:23,630 --> 00:45:21,480
and then the scientists who are cleared

1122
00:45:25,250 --> 00:45:23,640
you know they're just narrowly focusing

1123
00:45:27,410 --> 00:45:25,260
on a certain project

1124
00:45:29,930 --> 00:45:27,420
I'm just looking at meta materials I'm

1125
00:45:32,329 --> 00:45:29,940
not looking at anything else

1126
00:45:34,190 --> 00:45:32,339
um that's a very limiting I think and so

1127
00:45:36,829 --> 00:45:34,200
part of this disclosure I hope is to

1128
00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:36,839
release that information all that data

1129
00:45:44,510 --> 00:45:40,560
and invite Academia into the equation so

1130
00:45:46,670 --> 00:45:44,520
that we can use better instruments that

1131
00:45:48,650 --> 00:45:46,680
might far exceed what the government has

1132
00:45:51,290 --> 00:45:48,660
on the ground looking up

1133
00:45:54,650 --> 00:45:51,300
that's why I'm plaud you know having uh

1134
00:45:57,109 --> 00:45:54,660
Dr Gary Nolan involved in this no he's

1135
00:45:59,390 --> 00:45:57,119
not a government scientist per se but

1136
00:46:01,790 --> 00:45:59,400
he's talked to government people who

1137
00:46:04,190 --> 00:46:01,800
aren't government scientists looking at

1138
00:46:08,089 --> 00:46:04,200
this issue and so you know he's a very

1139
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:08,099
valuable resource Dr AV Lopez Avi lope

1140
00:46:11,089 --> 00:46:09,599
is a very valuable resource and there

1141
00:46:12,589 --> 00:46:11,099
might be others out there looking at

1142
00:46:14,270 --> 00:46:12,599
this

1143
00:46:16,490 --> 00:46:14,280
um from that perspective and we also

1144
00:46:18,349 --> 00:46:16,500
look have uh people who are not

1145
00:46:20,690 --> 00:46:18,359
physicists or scientists or

1146
00:46:23,290 --> 00:46:20,700
astrophysicists and whatnot we also need

1147
00:46:25,609 --> 00:46:23,300
to bring in sociologists

1148
00:46:28,190 --> 00:46:25,619
psychologists the social science

1149
00:46:30,349 --> 00:46:28,200
Sciences need to look at this we need

1150
00:46:33,170 --> 00:46:30,359
financial experts to look at this as

1151
00:46:35,870 --> 00:46:33,180
well because if there is an emission

1152
00:46:38,329 --> 00:46:35,880
that it's non-human what impact would

1153
00:46:41,030 --> 00:46:38,339
that have on the world economy

1154
00:46:43,670 --> 00:46:41,040
on World Markets we don't know what

1155
00:46:45,890 --> 00:46:43,680
impact spiritual people religious

1156
00:46:48,349 --> 00:46:45,900
leaders what impact will they have on

1157
00:46:50,450 --> 00:46:48,359
human belief systems we don't know the

1158
00:46:52,130 --> 00:46:50,460
government doesn't think like that it

1159
00:46:53,329 --> 00:46:52,140
just looks they're just looking at like

1160
00:46:54,770 --> 00:46:53,339
Hardware

1161
00:46:57,290 --> 00:46:54,780
they're not looking at what I call

1162
00:47:00,650 --> 00:46:57,300
there's Hardware there's software which

1163
00:47:03,770 --> 00:47:00,660
is the AI component and there's wet wear

1164
00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:03,780
which is us our brains that's borrowing

1165
00:47:09,829 --> 00:47:07,200
uh I think uh William Gibson term of wet

1166
00:47:12,530 --> 00:47:09,839
wear that our brains on wet wear that's

1167
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:12,540
also important and we have ai the

1168
00:47:17,210 --> 00:47:15,119
software and Hardware the actual thing

1169
00:47:20,510 --> 00:47:17,220
that's fine everything needs to come

1170
00:47:22,370 --> 00:47:20,520
together in order to resolve these

1171
00:47:23,930 --> 00:47:22,380
objects

1172
00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:23,940
I'm going to move on to lesson our

1173
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:25,440
questions soon but I just want to ask

1174
00:47:30,650 --> 00:47:27,359
you your own language you've used a few

1175
00:47:32,329 --> 00:47:30,660
times as these things are visiting and

1176
00:47:33,829 --> 00:47:32,339
visiting obviously puts in the

1177
00:47:35,870 --> 00:47:33,839
Assumption they're coming from elsewhere

1178
00:47:37,910 --> 00:47:35,880
is that the theory you think best

1179
00:47:39,589 --> 00:47:37,920
describes what is happening obviously

1180
00:47:41,390 --> 00:47:39,599
you've had your own experiences to draw

1181
00:47:43,730 --> 00:47:41,400
on your own conversations your own

1182
00:47:46,010 --> 00:47:43,740
opinion you're formed a lot of people

1183
00:47:48,770 --> 00:47:46,020
these days it's popular to think there's

1184
00:47:51,710 --> 00:47:48,780
a presence already on this planet that

1185
00:47:54,290 --> 00:47:51,720
may have you know succeeded or preceded

1186
00:47:56,270 --> 00:47:54,300
to humans themselves what do you think

1187
00:47:57,890 --> 00:47:56,280
of that or is it as a potential a

1188
00:48:00,170 --> 00:47:57,900
culmination of various different things

1189
00:48:03,410 --> 00:48:00,180
well I broke it down into three three

1190
00:48:05,930 --> 00:48:03,420
areas I've stated before and I actually

1191
00:48:08,270 --> 00:48:05,940
shared these I can say now I share them

1192
00:48:10,250 --> 00:48:08,280
with Jim simeivan and he liked the way I

1193
00:48:12,290 --> 00:48:10,260
broke it down and here's how I broke it

1194
00:48:13,970 --> 00:48:12,300
down I said you know Jim there are

1195
00:48:16,130 --> 00:48:13,980
things about this phenomena that we

1196
00:48:18,770 --> 00:48:16,140
don't quite understand that's acting

1197
00:48:20,150 --> 00:48:18,780
like misbehaving that we don't

1198
00:48:22,970 --> 00:48:20,160
understand

1199
00:48:25,550 --> 00:48:22,980
what they're doing and when they we have

1200
00:48:27,890 --> 00:48:25,560
encounters with them they don't actually

1201
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:27,900
turn out to be very good and I call

1202
00:48:33,829 --> 00:48:29,760
those The Strangers

1203
00:48:36,230 --> 00:48:33,839
so they're truly unknown unknowns and we

1204
00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:36,240
don't know why that when we counter them

1205
00:48:40,670 --> 00:48:38,400
that people have physiological effects

1206
00:48:43,309 --> 00:48:40,680
happen to them they have mental effects

1207
00:48:45,829 --> 00:48:43,319
happen to them it's that hitchhiker

1208
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:45,839
affect this Skinwalker hitchhiker effect

1209
00:48:50,210 --> 00:48:48,720
there's been known documented cases of

1210
00:48:52,010 --> 00:48:50,220
these anomalous Health incidents

1211
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:52,020
occurring by encountering this

1212
00:48:56,569 --> 00:48:55,200
phenomenon and particularly having orbs

1213
00:48:58,670 --> 00:48:56,579
come near you

1214
00:49:01,370 --> 00:48:58,680
and touching you going through bodies

1215
00:49:02,450 --> 00:49:01,380
and then all of a sudden they have these

1216
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:02,460
major health

1217
00:49:07,849 --> 00:49:04,800
issues so we have that the stranger

1218
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:07,859
aspects and then we have what I call the

1219
00:49:09,890 --> 00:49:09,119
visitors

1220
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:09,900
um

1221
00:49:15,650 --> 00:49:12,960
actual like beings coming from elsewhere

1222
00:49:17,630 --> 00:49:15,660
and they may manifest in Flesh and Blood

1223
00:49:19,069 --> 00:49:17,640
like we are they may be of higher

1224
00:49:21,410 --> 00:49:19,079
Dimension or

1225
00:49:23,630 --> 00:49:21,420
um it may be of higher density as the

1226
00:49:25,970 --> 00:49:23,640
experiencers and channels would say

1227
00:49:27,890 --> 00:49:25,980
that you know they're not only advanced

1228
00:49:30,490 --> 00:49:27,900
in technology but they're advanced in

1229
00:49:33,349 --> 00:49:30,500
their own being that they're somewhat

1230
00:49:36,050 --> 00:49:33,359
elevated in their higher Consciousness

1231
00:49:37,790 --> 00:49:36,060
aspects and I call those the visitors

1232
00:49:40,250 --> 00:49:37,800
they may be coming from other star

1233
00:49:41,930 --> 00:49:40,260
systems or they may be here but then we

1234
00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:41,940
have the true residents who've been here

1235
00:49:47,089 --> 00:49:44,640
as your uh to your point been here a

1236
00:49:49,569 --> 00:49:47,099
long time and they've been here longer

1237
00:49:52,130 --> 00:49:49,579
than we have and it may have had some

1238
00:49:54,650 --> 00:49:52,140
influence on how we develop

1239
00:49:57,710 --> 00:49:54,660
they may have helped us develop faster

1240
00:49:59,930 --> 00:49:57,720
than our primate cousins

1241
00:50:02,030 --> 00:49:59,940
who are still very much this they were

1242
00:50:04,010 --> 00:50:02,040
the way they were

1243
00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:04,020
um when we were like them and all of a

1244
00:50:10,670 --> 00:50:07,440
sudden we had this huge leap that was so

1245
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:10,680
huge that uh anthropologists call it the

1246
00:50:14,210 --> 00:50:12,000
missing Gap

1247
00:50:17,510 --> 00:50:14,220
oh there's a cat missing I'm saying it's

1248
00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:17,520
not really a gap if we involved in in

1249
00:50:24,890 --> 00:50:21,599
that equation an intervention that allow

1250
00:50:27,290 --> 00:50:24,900
us to bridge that Gap very rapidly so

1251
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:27,300
there they are the strangers

1252
00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:29,280
um the visitors and the residents and

1253
00:50:34,849 --> 00:50:31,680
that's the way I would break it out

1254
00:50:36,650 --> 00:50:34,859
um so that's my personal belief um and

1255
00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:36,660
that works for me I don't care if it

1256
00:50:40,430 --> 00:50:38,640
works for anybody else but you know I'm

1257
00:50:42,710 --> 00:50:40,440
with everyone else I need to sort it out

1258
00:50:45,589 --> 00:50:42,720
for myself like

1259
00:50:47,750 --> 00:50:45,599
what is going on uh what is going on

1260
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:47,760
with what I experienced why did I

1261
00:50:52,130 --> 00:50:49,920
experience that oh so in sorting

1262
00:50:54,109 --> 00:50:52,140
everything out I built my own Theory of

1263
00:50:57,109 --> 00:50:54,119
Everything it's a personal Theory of

1264
00:50:59,569 --> 00:50:57,119
Everything so that I can deal with this

1265
00:51:00,230 --> 00:50:59,579
phenomena in a way that

1266
00:51:02,329 --> 00:51:00,240
um

1267
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:02,339
I would not go into too many rabbit

1268
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:05,040
holes that I cannot get out of yeah so

1269
00:51:09,950 --> 00:51:07,440
that's that's what that's where where my

1270
00:51:11,690 --> 00:51:09,960
perspective comes from and again if you

1271
00:51:12,710 --> 00:51:11,700
don't believe that that's fine come up

1272
00:51:14,569 --> 00:51:12,720
with your own Theory of Everything

1273
00:51:16,549 --> 00:51:14,579
something that works for you

1274
00:51:19,010 --> 00:51:16,559
and if you're comfortable with it and

1275
00:51:20,030 --> 00:51:19,020
you can deal with this phenomenon in a

1276
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:20,040
way that

1277
00:51:22,970 --> 00:51:20,640
um

1278
00:51:25,069 --> 00:51:22,980
won't drag you into these rabbit holes

1279
00:51:27,049 --> 00:51:25,079
and you get lost forever then go with

1280
00:51:29,569 --> 00:51:27,059
that it doesn't have to agree with mine

1281
00:51:31,250 --> 00:51:29,579
mine doesn't have to agree with yours

1282
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:31,260
um but you have something you have some

1283
00:51:35,150 --> 00:51:32,400
framework

1284
00:51:37,010 --> 00:51:35,160
to work to deal with this

1285
00:51:38,690 --> 00:51:37,020
you have experienced and I think that's

1286
00:51:40,910 --> 00:51:38,700
very fair what you've said

1287
00:51:43,490 --> 00:51:40,920
um that it's a very divisive subject and

1288
00:51:45,950 --> 00:51:43,500
it's fair to say you are

1289
00:51:48,109 --> 00:51:45,960
fan of the subject if I can call it that

1290
00:51:49,730 --> 00:51:48,119
before you know you mentioned during

1291
00:51:51,650 --> 00:51:49,740
your time in the CIA you attended

1292
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:51,660
conferences off your own time you

1293
00:51:55,549 --> 00:51:53,760
weren't sent there as a spy no one was

1294
00:51:58,010 --> 00:51:55,559
getting information from you it was very

1295
00:51:58,670 --> 00:51:58,020
much you wanted to attend so you did

1296
00:52:01,430 --> 00:51:58,680
um

1297
00:52:03,349 --> 00:52:01,440
the way people handle the conversation I

1298
00:52:05,870 --> 00:52:03,359
think is very important these days with

1299
00:52:08,809 --> 00:52:05,880
this media Spotlight on it as it is and

1300
00:52:10,190 --> 00:52:08,819
it's very much uh it's maybe I

1301
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:10,200
understand people who have been involved

1302
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:12,960
in the UFO topic for 30 40 50 years say

1303
00:52:17,089 --> 00:52:14,880
they've seen this before it's come

1304
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:17,099
around with blue book and sign and

1305
00:52:20,210 --> 00:52:18,240
Grudge and various different

1306
00:52:22,309 --> 00:52:20,220
conversations have come to a boil and

1307
00:52:24,589 --> 00:52:22,319
it's gone away and we seem to be at a

1308
00:52:26,089 --> 00:52:24,599
point where it could still go back but

1309
00:52:28,849 --> 00:52:26,099
we're not a point that we could maybe

1310
00:52:31,130 --> 00:52:28,859
push it that bit further forward a lot

1311
00:52:33,650 --> 00:52:31,140
of people had an issue with someone you

1312
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:33,660
mentioned recently Anjali who who came

1313
00:52:38,990 --> 00:52:36,720
on the scene God 18 months ago it's been

1314
00:52:40,730 --> 00:52:39,000
a funny couple of years and I'll be

1315
00:52:43,250 --> 00:52:40,740
honest personally I don't agree with how

1316
00:52:44,870 --> 00:52:43,260
she handled the whole situation to the

1317
00:52:46,549 --> 00:52:44,880
point where she came forward with an

1318
00:52:48,710 --> 00:52:46,559
incredible claim

1319
00:52:50,690 --> 00:52:48,720
um I don't know if you've saw how she

1320
00:52:53,690 --> 00:52:50,700
presented the information

1321
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:53,700
again for me definitely not the way to

1322
00:52:59,390 --> 00:52:56,160
go about any kind of claim like that and

1323
00:53:01,130 --> 00:52:59,400
then there was also again a social media

1324
00:53:03,650 --> 00:53:01,140
and it was a social media tournament

1325
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:03,660
where she was putting lists of names up

1326
00:53:08,990 --> 00:53:06,240
online and asking people to vote her

1327
00:53:11,450 --> 00:53:09,000
they wanted to see including this app is

1328
00:53:14,329 --> 00:53:11,460
a part of it right no one asked but okay

1329
00:53:16,730 --> 00:53:14,339
and again the whole presentation of what

1330
00:53:17,870 --> 00:53:16,740
she was claiming what happened how she

1331
00:53:20,390 --> 00:53:17,880
went about it

1332
00:53:22,250 --> 00:53:20,400
in my opinion and seems to be the

1333
00:53:24,829 --> 00:53:22,260
opinion of many others was completely

1334
00:53:28,490 --> 00:53:24,839
wrong I think recently you you came out

1335
00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:28,500
in support of Anjali in your comment and

1336
00:53:34,970 --> 00:53:32,160
what do you see about Anjali and her

1337
00:53:37,910 --> 00:53:34,980
her presentation of her ideas uh of

1338
00:53:40,370 --> 00:53:37,920
what's credible about that when

1339
00:53:42,049 --> 00:53:40,380
as I tried to put it that it seemed to

1340
00:53:43,730 --> 00:53:42,059
be there was a whole lot wrong and

1341
00:53:46,910 --> 00:53:43,740
that's not even me saying what she said

1342
00:53:48,829 --> 00:53:46,920
was was or wasn't true but the whole

1343
00:53:50,210 --> 00:53:48,839
presentation of what she said just

1344
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:50,220
seemed way off

1345
00:53:55,609 --> 00:53:53,520
I I I can say this much that I've had

1346
00:53:58,370 --> 00:53:55,619
private conversations with her and I'm

1347
00:54:00,890 --> 00:53:58,380
sure she won't mind me saying this

1348
00:54:04,250 --> 00:54:00,900
um but not in the way of criticism of

1349
00:54:06,349 --> 00:54:04,260
her but I said I wish Anjali I wish you

1350
00:54:09,770 --> 00:54:06,359
have would have gone through

1351
00:54:12,650 --> 00:54:09,780
the Department of Defense process to get

1352
00:54:13,690 --> 00:54:12,660
your statements cleared by them as at

1353
00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:13,700
least

1354
00:54:17,390 --> 00:54:15,599
unclassified

1355
00:54:19,370 --> 00:54:17,400
just do that because that would have

1356
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:19,380
given you some credibility

1357
00:54:24,770 --> 00:54:22,559
to support your claims that you were an

1358
00:54:28,609 --> 00:54:24,780
intelligence officer

1359
00:54:31,930 --> 00:54:28,619
so I go through a process a CIA

1360
00:54:34,609 --> 00:54:31,940
and it's called the pre-publication

1361
00:54:38,510 --> 00:54:34,619
classification review board

1362
00:54:40,730 --> 00:54:38,520
a bunch of letters pcrb so when I came

1363
00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:40,740
out with um I have at least three or

1364
00:54:46,010 --> 00:54:43,200
four slide Decks that I

1365
00:54:48,890 --> 00:54:46,020
presented to them saying can I say this

1366
00:54:50,990 --> 00:54:48,900
and in all instances they've come back

1367
00:54:53,569 --> 00:54:51,000
saying it's unclassified

1368
00:54:55,970 --> 00:54:53,579
that's perfect then I know what my

1369
00:54:58,690 --> 00:54:55,980
boundaries are she did not do that on

1370
00:55:02,990 --> 00:54:58,700
the Department of Defense side

1371
00:55:06,530 --> 00:55:03,000
and uh I think it's d-o-p-s-r dopser

1372
00:55:09,290 --> 00:55:06,540
defense office of security

1373
00:55:11,390 --> 00:55:09,300
pre-publication review or something to

1374
00:55:15,290 --> 00:55:11,400
that I could have that wrong but I know

1375
00:55:16,910 --> 00:55:15,300
the initials are d-o-p-s-r dopser and

1376
00:55:19,010 --> 00:55:16,920
that's the equivalent process where

1377
00:55:20,990 --> 00:55:19,020
Department of Defense employee can

1378
00:55:23,690 --> 00:55:21,000
submit to this office for review

1379
00:55:26,450 --> 00:55:23,700
anything they may say in public that

1380
00:55:29,450 --> 00:55:26,460
might touch on classify subjects yeah

1381
00:55:33,250 --> 00:55:29,460
and in fact Dr James lacaski did that

1382
00:55:36,109 --> 00:55:33,260
exact process prior to the publication

1383
00:55:38,270 --> 00:55:36,119
of the Skin Walkers at the Pentagon book

1384
00:55:40,430 --> 00:55:38,280
it's in the front part of the book that

1385
00:55:41,870 --> 00:55:40,440
it went through this process that is the

1386
00:55:43,970 --> 00:55:41,880
Department of Defense looked at the book

1387
00:55:45,049 --> 00:55:43,980
and said there's nothing in here that's

1388
00:55:47,569 --> 00:55:45,059
classified

1389
00:55:50,210 --> 00:55:47,579
uh which if you read the book it's

1390
00:55:51,950 --> 00:55:50,220
amazing what's not classified

1391
00:55:53,089 --> 00:55:51,960
um but she did not go to that and I wish

1392
00:55:53,930 --> 00:55:53,099
she would have

1393
00:55:55,490 --> 00:55:53,940
um

1394
00:55:58,309 --> 00:55:55,500
though

1395
00:56:00,650 --> 00:55:58,319
I would say this that she is who she

1396
00:56:03,349 --> 00:56:00,660
said she was

1397
00:56:04,970 --> 00:56:03,359
that is she was a member of the

1398
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:04,980
intelligence community on the civilian

1399
00:56:09,710 --> 00:56:07,920
side to defense intelligence agency was

1400
00:56:11,569 --> 00:56:09,720
her parent office

1401
00:56:15,589 --> 00:56:11,579
and that

1402
00:56:18,410 --> 00:56:15,599
um she had these personal experiences

1403
00:56:20,990 --> 00:56:18,420
and if she was just packaged those

1404
00:56:23,750 --> 00:56:21,000
experiences in some narrative form and

1405
00:56:25,490 --> 00:56:23,760
submitted to the Department of Defense

1406
00:56:28,130 --> 00:56:25,500
and have them look at it and come back

1407
00:56:31,430 --> 00:56:28,140
saying it's unclassified that would have

1408
00:56:33,710 --> 00:56:31,440
gone a long way as to you know at least

1409
00:56:36,349 --> 00:56:33,720
supporting her claim that she was an

1410
00:56:39,170 --> 00:56:36,359
intelligence officer now we Intelligence

1411
00:56:42,349 --> 00:56:39,180
Officers such as Anjali myself

1412
00:56:44,750 --> 00:56:42,359
and everyone else who you know

1413
00:56:46,250 --> 00:56:44,760
um lu Elizondo Jim send me van everybody

1414
00:56:50,809 --> 00:56:46,260
on the

1415
00:56:51,950 --> 00:56:50,819
of an intelligence Community we are in

1416
00:56:54,370 --> 00:56:51,960
databases

1417
00:56:57,829 --> 00:56:54,380
and in the Department of Defense side

1418
00:56:59,650 --> 00:56:57,839
there's a department the defense

1419
00:57:02,870 --> 00:56:59,660
information

1420
00:57:04,309 --> 00:57:02,880
uh security system or defense

1421
00:57:07,069 --> 00:57:04,319
information

1422
00:57:09,650 --> 00:57:07,079
system security it's diss I get the

1423
00:57:12,109 --> 00:57:09,660
acronyms wrong but diss

1424
00:57:14,930 --> 00:57:12,119
on the civilian side that is most CI

1425
00:57:18,349 --> 00:57:14,940
officers are in scattered castles

1426
00:57:21,650 --> 00:57:18,359
and so if I give a security officer my

1427
00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:21,660
full name my social security number my

1428
00:57:26,510 --> 00:57:24,000
date of birth and my place of birth they

1429
00:57:29,510 --> 00:57:26,520
can actually go into that database and

1430
00:57:32,390 --> 00:57:29,520
retrieve verification that I work for

1431
00:57:35,630 --> 00:57:32,400
CIA and they have the exact dates that I

1432
00:57:38,450 --> 00:57:35,640
sign all of these ndas which when I

1433
00:57:40,069 --> 00:57:38,460
retired I had to sign out of them and

1434
00:57:42,589 --> 00:57:40,079
the security officer said my gosh you

1435
00:57:45,410 --> 00:57:42,599
have like 24 26 ndas

1436
00:57:47,870 --> 00:57:45,420
so yep I won't have them anymore and so

1437
00:57:50,829 --> 00:57:47,880
he put all these ndas by initials they

1438
00:57:54,230 --> 00:57:50,839
offer an alphabetic initial so sometimes

1439
00:57:56,270 --> 00:57:54,240
alpha numeric initial initials and said

1440
00:57:58,430 --> 00:57:56,280
here sign this and it's like you know

1441
00:57:59,630 --> 00:57:58,440
like six of them on a page and sign out

1442
00:58:02,329 --> 00:57:59,640
and I don't even know what some of them

1443
00:58:05,030 --> 00:58:02,339
were yeah I forgot what they were I was

1444
00:58:06,530 --> 00:58:05,040
right into so much stuff I had no idea I

1445
00:58:08,750 --> 00:58:06,540
wonder where that is too late now I

1446
00:58:11,510 --> 00:58:08,760
already signed out on it and um I can't

1447
00:58:14,750 --> 00:58:11,520
go back and say what was that yeah too

1448
00:58:17,750 --> 00:58:14,760
late so you know that's the process so

1449
00:58:19,910 --> 00:58:17,760
uh she is who she said she was an

1450
00:58:22,010 --> 00:58:19,920
intelligence officer

1451
00:58:25,370 --> 00:58:22,020
um and she was an experiencer from

1452
00:58:26,750 --> 00:58:25,380
childhood and many of us who are in an

1453
00:58:27,470 --> 00:58:26,760
intelligence Community can say the same

1454
00:58:29,329 --> 00:58:27,480
thing

1455
00:58:31,490 --> 00:58:29,339
that we were experiences from childhood

1456
00:58:34,910 --> 00:58:31,500
I have a friend who was an experiencer

1457
00:58:37,250 --> 00:58:34,920
from childhood at CIA and others who are

1458
00:58:40,690 --> 00:58:37,260
at CIA said yes I had these experiences

1459
00:58:43,250 --> 00:58:40,700
Jim simivan was very forthright and uh

1460
00:58:46,250 --> 00:58:43,260
very clear about his experiences he

1461
00:58:48,049 --> 00:58:46,260
shared his experiences I shared mine as

1462
00:58:51,230 --> 00:58:48,059
you know I wish she would have done that

1463
00:58:53,990 --> 00:58:51,240
as far as statements I made about

1464
00:58:57,049 --> 00:58:54,000
um any interest from the government of

1465
00:58:59,690 --> 00:58:57,059
Anjali we are going to appear together

1466
00:59:02,510 --> 00:58:59,700
in a future podcast this month

1467
00:59:03,349 --> 00:59:02,520
and so I'm not in control of podcasts I

1468
00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:03,359
don't

1469
00:59:09,710 --> 00:59:07,920
know like you came to me I didn't come

1470
00:59:11,510 --> 00:59:09,720
to you yeah absolutely yeah yeah you

1471
00:59:13,370 --> 00:59:11,520
know it's like I mean I know you kind of

1472
00:59:14,750 --> 00:59:13,380
you came to me before and I pushed you

1473
00:59:17,150 --> 00:59:14,760
back saying no I don't want to do this

1474
00:59:19,849 --> 00:59:17,160
Andy yeah but you know I thought now is

1475
00:59:22,010 --> 00:59:19,859
the good time to do it um so

1476
00:59:24,530 --> 00:59:22,020
there will be one with Angeline myself

1477
00:59:25,789 --> 00:59:24,540
it will be moderated by someone everyone

1478
00:59:28,849 --> 00:59:25,799
knows

1479
00:59:31,490 --> 00:59:28,859
um from calling all beings and that's DJ

1480
00:59:33,589 --> 00:59:31,500
San Marco he's going to have what he

1481
00:59:35,450 --> 00:59:33,599
calls a fireside chat sure I'll be

1482
00:59:36,410 --> 00:59:35,460
sitting with Anjali and we'll have a

1483
00:59:38,630 --> 00:59:36,420
conversation

1484
00:59:40,609 --> 00:59:38,640
and I'm going to bring adult beverages

1485
00:59:43,130 --> 00:59:40,619
to drink and we're going to sit there

1486
00:59:44,450 --> 00:59:43,140
and snack and just talk as if we were at

1487
00:59:46,849 --> 00:59:44,460
a pub somewhere and we just sharing a

1488
00:59:50,329 --> 00:59:46,859
conversation and I'm going to describe

1489
00:59:53,210 --> 00:59:50,339
the references or the um

1490
00:59:55,370 --> 00:59:53,220
reference I made about Anjali having

1491
00:59:58,609 --> 00:59:55,380
interest by the government

1492
01:00:00,650 --> 00:59:58,619
on her case I will explain that all of

1493
01:00:02,630 --> 01:00:00,660
that and now happens sometime between

1494
01:00:03,890 --> 01:00:02,640
now and the end of the month so stay

1495
01:00:06,230 --> 01:00:03,900
tuned

1496
01:00:07,549 --> 01:00:06,240
and just let me ask John because I'll

1497
01:00:09,230 --> 01:00:07,559
just be blunt a lot of people don't

1498
01:00:10,309 --> 01:00:09,240
believe Anjali and I'm sure you know

1499
01:00:12,349 --> 01:00:10,319
that you're a very intelligent

1500
01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:12,359
individual yourself and I'm sure Anjali

1501
01:00:17,150 --> 01:00:14,640
knows that as well if

1502
01:00:18,289 --> 01:00:17,160
you didn't believe Angela yourself is

1503
01:00:21,410 --> 01:00:18,299
that something you would be comfortable

1504
01:00:23,030 --> 01:00:21,420
saying to her that and again this is a

1505
01:00:24,349 --> 01:00:23,040
touchy aspect of the subject because

1506
01:00:26,990 --> 01:00:24,359
that's not to say people are having

1507
01:00:28,510 --> 01:00:27,000
experiences that potentially they

1508
01:00:31,490 --> 01:00:28,520
believe are happening

1509
01:00:33,770 --> 01:00:31,500
and that's a fine line to walk I think

1510
01:00:35,870 --> 01:00:33,780
in terms of a conversation in any Walk

1511
01:00:39,170 --> 01:00:35,880
of Life and

1512
01:00:41,809 --> 01:00:39,180
f for example louisando had initially

1513
01:00:43,430 --> 01:00:41,819
came out and said what she said I don't

1514
01:00:46,069 --> 01:00:43,440
think Lila's under would still be around

1515
01:00:47,690 --> 01:00:46,079
in the capacity he is that's not to say

1516
01:00:49,970 --> 01:00:47,700
he knows some incredible things or maybe

1517
01:00:51,950 --> 01:00:49,980
has had some incredible experiences but

1518
01:00:53,569 --> 01:00:51,960
you know a cake might taste amazing but

1519
01:00:55,849 --> 01:00:53,579
if the presentation is bad no one's

1520
01:00:58,690 --> 01:00:55,859
going to try it and I think the overall

1521
01:01:01,970 --> 01:00:58,700
presentation to what anjali's story is

1522
01:01:03,829 --> 01:01:01,980
one has been damaging but two I think

1523
01:01:05,990 --> 01:01:03,839
services

1524
01:01:08,390 --> 01:01:06,000
a bit of a lesson for anyone else coming

1525
01:01:10,549 --> 01:01:08,400
forward from and I don't question

1526
01:01:12,829 --> 01:01:10,559
necessarily on Charlie's background but

1527
01:01:15,049 --> 01:01:12,839
just the way she went about it and I

1528
01:01:17,150 --> 01:01:15,059
think there's got to be a different way

1529
01:01:18,650 --> 01:01:17,160
and a better way to do that because of

1530
01:01:21,589 --> 01:01:18,660
the substance of what you're seeing

1531
01:01:23,690 --> 01:01:21,599
right and uh she knows this I I've said

1532
01:01:26,390 --> 01:01:23,700
I wish you didn't use the wash licking

1533
01:01:28,970 --> 01:01:26,400
Memorial in Washington DC as a place

1534
01:01:33,049 --> 01:01:28,980
because it was very noisy very windy

1535
01:01:36,470 --> 01:01:33,059
yeah um I couldn't hardly hear her

1536
01:01:38,750 --> 01:01:36,480
and I would say that um there was a

1537
01:01:42,770 --> 01:01:38,760
conference called making contact

1538
01:01:46,609 --> 01:01:42,780
uh back then and she just appeared as a

1539
01:01:48,890 --> 01:01:46,619
guest speaker surprise speaker on this

1540
01:01:52,069 --> 01:01:48,900
making contact conference that occurred

1541
01:01:55,430 --> 01:01:52,079
online yeah back in 2021

1542
01:01:58,130 --> 01:01:55,440
and so there she was and she made these

1543
01:01:59,870 --> 01:01:58,140
these claims without any prefacing of

1544
01:02:02,089 --> 01:01:59,880
who she was

1545
01:02:04,849 --> 01:02:02,099
um like my first

1546
01:02:07,370 --> 01:02:04,859
um actually my first appearance was in

1547
01:02:08,990 --> 01:02:07,380
private it was for the icer executive

1548
01:02:11,630 --> 01:02:09,000
committee it's the International

1549
01:02:14,809 --> 01:02:11,640
Coalition of extraterosa research and I

1550
01:02:17,870 --> 01:02:14,819
appeared with them privately they had my

1551
01:02:20,690 --> 01:02:17,880
slides I sent them my slides through one

1552
01:02:24,410 --> 01:02:20,700
of the members from Peru my good friend

1553
01:02:27,170 --> 01:02:24,420
Giorgio who represents Peru in icer

1554
01:02:30,530 --> 01:02:27,180
um you know they see my slides and so I

1555
01:02:32,030 --> 01:02:30,540
appeared with them and so

1556
01:02:33,829 --> 01:02:32,040
also

1557
01:02:36,530 --> 01:02:33,839
um I appeared with Whitley Streeper and

1558
01:02:40,250 --> 01:02:36,540
I gave Whitley streber my entire CIA

1559
01:02:43,910 --> 01:02:40,260
resume that's unclassified and also my

1560
01:02:45,890 --> 01:02:43,920
slides and so that's how I came out and

1561
01:02:47,390 --> 01:02:45,900
um you know Jim semivan and Lou Elizondo

1562
01:02:49,250 --> 01:02:47,400
knew of me

1563
01:02:50,809 --> 01:02:49,260
before I came out they knew I was going

1564
01:02:52,549 --> 01:02:50,819
to come out

1565
01:02:54,950 --> 01:02:52,559
um that's how it happened

1566
01:02:57,109 --> 01:02:54,960
and of course I had the backing of CIA

1567
01:02:59,030 --> 01:02:57,119
not to say what I said was true but

1568
01:03:01,490 --> 01:02:59,040
you're not saying anything that's on

1569
01:03:02,930 --> 01:03:01,500
that's classified yeah but she didn't do

1570
01:03:05,630 --> 01:03:02,940
that and I wish she would have done that

1571
01:03:08,030 --> 01:03:05,640
in a different venue I think would the

1572
01:03:09,950 --> 01:03:08,040
outcome would have been different and

1573
01:03:11,569 --> 01:03:09,960
also the worst place to come out is in

1574
01:03:13,789 --> 01:03:11,579
social media

1575
01:03:15,289 --> 01:03:13,799
absolutely where you want to come out

1576
01:03:17,630 --> 01:03:15,299
you know you want to come out in a

1577
01:03:20,030 --> 01:03:17,640
podcast and although you know your

1578
01:03:22,309 --> 01:03:20,040
podcast is becomes part of social media

1579
01:03:25,190 --> 01:03:22,319
you know it is a podcast that you have

1580
01:03:27,049 --> 01:03:25,200
done and you've talked to and

1581
01:03:29,329 --> 01:03:27,059
interviewed people and there's some kind

1582
01:03:31,010 --> 01:03:29,339
of vetting going on when you appear in a

1583
01:03:34,309 --> 01:03:31,020
podcast people ask you questions like

1584
01:03:37,069 --> 01:03:34,319
you're asking me challenging my my uh

1585
01:03:39,770 --> 01:03:37,079
opinions which is all good and bringing

1586
01:03:42,289 --> 01:03:39,780
up skepticism which is all good

1587
01:03:43,910 --> 01:03:42,299
um I welcome that and again you know no

1588
01:03:46,609 --> 01:03:43,920
one has to believe me and no one has to

1589
01:03:50,750 --> 01:03:46,619
believe Anjali but the way she did it

1590
01:03:53,210 --> 01:03:50,760
um it was like a fire hose event More

1591
01:03:56,150 --> 01:03:53,220
Than This measured kind of introduction

1592
01:03:58,549 --> 01:03:56,160
to the UFO Community it was just too

1593
01:04:01,309 --> 01:03:58,559
much at one time and I think that may

1594
01:04:03,710 --> 01:04:01,319
have hurt her a little bit but having

1595
01:04:05,990 --> 01:04:03,720
said that I do believe in her

1596
01:04:07,849 --> 01:04:06,000
experiences they seem consistent with

1597
01:04:09,710 --> 01:04:07,859
experiences of others

1598
01:04:11,930 --> 01:04:09,720
as well

1599
01:04:13,849 --> 01:04:11,940
um so I'll leave it at that but as far

1600
01:04:15,049 --> 01:04:13,859
as you know

1601
01:04:18,049 --> 01:04:15,059
uh

1602
01:04:21,170 --> 01:04:18,059
as far as Government interest in what

1603
01:04:23,270 --> 01:04:21,180
she had to say I will look for I look

1604
01:04:24,650 --> 01:04:23,280
forward to explaining all of that

1605
01:04:29,870 --> 01:04:24,660
uh

1606
01:04:32,329 --> 01:04:29,880
this fireside chat he wants to have

1607
01:04:33,890 --> 01:04:32,339
yeah I know DJ Whalen the other folks of

1608
01:04:35,089 --> 01:04:33,900
calling all being so look forward to

1609
01:04:37,069 --> 01:04:35,099
that and I'll always share their stuff

1610
01:04:38,390 --> 01:04:37,079
in that as well so uh and appreciate the

1611
01:04:40,130 --> 01:04:38,400
answer as well John and that's something

1612
01:04:42,109 --> 01:04:40,140
a lot of people wanted brought up and I

1613
01:04:43,490 --> 01:04:42,119
was interested in it too so a lot of

1614
01:04:44,630 --> 01:04:43,500
people did want to hear from me if you

1615
01:04:46,250 --> 01:04:44,640
don't mind the last just a couple of

1616
01:04:47,329 --> 01:04:46,260
questions to finish off I'll cut them

1617
01:04:49,670 --> 01:04:47,339
down

1618
01:04:51,890 --> 01:04:49,680
um question from Peter he asks what is

1619
01:04:53,390 --> 01:04:51,900
the single greatest reason for U.S

1620
01:04:55,609 --> 01:04:53,400
security military and government

1621
01:04:58,130 --> 01:04:55,619
services to have concealed what they

1622
01:04:59,870 --> 01:04:58,140
know of UFO activities for the past 70

1623
01:05:02,990 --> 01:04:59,880
or 80 years and you think you've touched

1624
01:05:04,370 --> 01:05:03,000
on this but just to summarize it yes I

1625
01:05:07,130 --> 01:05:04,380
would think it's it's the military

1626
01:05:10,250 --> 01:05:07,140
exploitation of an advanced technology

1627
01:05:12,770 --> 01:05:10,260
that at that time they didn't understand

1628
01:05:15,289 --> 01:05:12,780
um and they were able to derive some

1629
01:05:17,630 --> 01:05:15,299
technology adapted for human use that is

1630
01:05:20,690 --> 01:05:17,640
for use by humans um that I don't

1631
01:05:23,210 --> 01:05:20,700
believe they reproduced the vehicle you

1632
01:05:25,250 --> 01:05:23,220
hear of arv or alien reproduction

1633
01:05:29,150 --> 01:05:25,260
vehicle that implies that they were able

1634
01:05:31,370 --> 01:05:29,160
to recreate reproduce the materials

1635
01:05:33,530 --> 01:05:31,380
um which was found in the construction

1636
01:05:36,410 --> 01:05:33,540
of the vehicle I don't believe we can do

1637
01:05:40,190 --> 01:05:36,420
that because it's been already stated

1638
01:05:42,829 --> 01:05:40,200
that the materials uh are although the

1639
01:05:44,930 --> 01:05:42,839
elements are known on Earth

1640
01:05:45,890 --> 01:05:44,940
um the purity of the materials

1641
01:05:48,470 --> 01:05:45,900
um

1642
01:05:51,349 --> 01:05:48,480
is difficult to achieve on this planet

1643
01:05:52,970 --> 01:05:51,359
it's almost like off world

1644
01:05:54,950 --> 01:05:52,980
um so I'll say that much and I'm not a

1645
01:05:57,289 --> 01:05:54,960
metallurgist I'm not a chemist I'm not a

1646
01:05:59,690 --> 01:05:57,299
physicist any I'm a political scientist

1647
01:06:01,430 --> 01:05:59,700
who lucked out and got a job that

1648
01:06:03,890 --> 01:06:01,440
required an engineering degree at CIA

1649
01:06:07,609 --> 01:06:03,900
and I was able to like rise up in the

1650
01:06:10,789 --> 01:06:07,619
ranks so I don't claim to know what Dr

1651
01:06:13,730 --> 01:06:10,799
Eric W Davis knows or Dr Hal putoff

1652
01:06:17,030 --> 01:06:13,740
or even Dr Ron pandolfi or any of the

1653
01:06:19,609 --> 01:06:17,040
other uh Dr Jack Safari these are like

1654
01:06:21,650 --> 01:06:19,619
science real scientists um and I don't

1655
01:06:23,089 --> 01:06:21,660
know what they know but I would say this

1656
01:06:24,890 --> 01:06:23,099
that you know it's probably the

1657
01:06:26,690 --> 01:06:24,900
exploitation of that technology that

1658
01:06:29,390 --> 01:06:26,700
they're hiding

1659
01:06:31,970 --> 01:06:29,400
um because you know if it comes from

1660
01:06:35,089 --> 01:06:31,980
outer space I mean why hide it

1661
01:06:36,890 --> 01:06:35,099
yeah you know I mean meteorites Fall

1662
01:06:39,109 --> 01:06:36,900
From Outer Space why hide that that's

1663
01:06:40,970 --> 01:06:39,119
not secret you know so here comes

1664
01:06:43,730 --> 01:06:40,980
something that's flying and it hits the

1665
01:06:45,349 --> 01:06:43,740
Earth and crashes why hide it it could

1666
01:06:47,150 --> 01:06:45,359
be because they're beings on it that we

1667
01:06:49,069 --> 01:06:47,160
recovered and they didn't understand the

1668
01:06:51,289 --> 01:06:49,079
beings but even then

1669
01:06:54,230 --> 01:06:51,299
um wouldn't wouldn't you want like

1670
01:06:56,029 --> 01:06:54,240
scientists to examine these beings oh my

1671
01:06:56,690 --> 01:06:56,039
gosh look

1672
01:06:58,789 --> 01:06:56,700
um

1673
01:07:00,589 --> 01:06:58,799
there are beings from outer space is

1674
01:07:01,730 --> 01:07:00,599
that a national security secret I don't

1675
01:07:03,170 --> 01:07:01,740
think so

1676
01:07:05,630 --> 01:07:03,180
I don't think that's a national security

1677
01:07:08,089 --> 01:07:05,640
code at all but I do think that if they

1678
01:07:09,529 --> 01:07:08,099
were able to make something fly really

1679
01:07:11,930 --> 01:07:09,539
cool

1680
01:07:13,370 --> 01:07:11,940
um almost like it but not quite um they

1681
01:07:14,510 --> 01:07:13,380
would want to keep that secret and I

1682
01:07:18,170 --> 01:07:14,520
think that's that's where the

1683
01:07:20,210 --> 01:07:18,180
classification comes in and also we were

1684
01:07:22,069 --> 01:07:20,220
not aware back then if the Russians had

1685
01:07:23,750 --> 01:07:22,079
something similar

1686
01:07:27,289 --> 01:07:23,760
um there may have been some

1687
01:07:29,450 --> 01:07:27,299
in the back of the military's mind that

1688
01:07:31,130 --> 01:07:29,460
um you know we we're going to exploit

1689
01:07:33,049 --> 01:07:31,140
this and we want to hide the exportation

1690
01:07:34,609 --> 01:07:33,059
from our adversaries

1691
01:07:37,250 --> 01:07:34,619
yeah

1692
01:07:39,410 --> 01:07:37,260
a question from Gaddy he asks can you

1693
01:07:41,750 --> 01:07:39,420
ask John if he can comment on the

1694
01:07:44,450 --> 01:07:41,760
possibility of evidence evidence of

1695
01:07:46,910 --> 01:07:44,460
artificial structures on the moon Mars

1696
01:07:49,490 --> 01:07:46,920
or elsewhere in our solar system I think

1697
01:07:52,190 --> 01:07:49,500
famously Buzz Alden on UK television

1698
01:07:53,569 --> 01:07:52,200
commented on monoliths on the moon and

1699
01:07:56,089 --> 01:07:53,579
when people saw them they would ask who

1700
01:07:57,609 --> 01:07:56,099
put them there I would say this that the

1701
01:07:59,870 --> 01:07:57,619
and we talked about the military

1702
01:08:01,730 --> 01:07:59,880
intelligence community and the civilian

1703
01:08:04,730 --> 01:08:01,740
intelligence Community

1704
01:08:07,789 --> 01:08:04,740
um I neglected to add NASA

1705
01:08:10,849 --> 01:08:07,799
I believe NASA is sitting on a lot of

1706
01:08:14,029 --> 01:08:10,859
data that they've kept hidden

1707
01:08:16,910 --> 01:08:14,039
that they kept hidden and I would hope

1708
01:08:19,130 --> 01:08:16,920
that NASA becomes part of this initial

1709
01:08:22,010 --> 01:08:19,140
disclosure process when it happens

1710
01:08:24,470 --> 01:08:22,020
because they need to come forward and

1711
01:08:28,370 --> 01:08:24,480
I've stated before and I believe even on

1712
01:08:30,050 --> 01:08:28,380
an earlier podcast with you Andy that

1713
01:08:32,510 --> 01:08:30,060
um looking at the James Webb Space

1714
01:08:35,209 --> 01:08:32,520
Telescope said don't be surprised if

1715
01:08:40,430 --> 01:08:35,219
they use James Webb's Space Telescope or

1716
01:08:41,870 --> 01:08:40,440
NASA exploration as the discovery

1717
01:08:43,870 --> 01:08:41,880
you know that

1718
01:08:46,010 --> 01:08:43,880
that is to say that the military

1719
01:08:47,689 --> 01:08:46,020
intelligence and civilian intelligence

1720
01:08:49,249 --> 01:08:47,699
communities in the United States already

1721
01:08:51,590 --> 01:08:49,259
knew something was there

1722
01:08:54,229 --> 01:08:51,600
but they can't admit it but they'll let

1723
01:08:56,510 --> 01:08:54,239
NASA Discover it and then that Discovery

1724
01:09:00,010 --> 01:08:56,520
would then spur more

1725
01:09:03,590 --> 01:09:00,020
interest in that more research

1726
01:09:07,249 --> 01:09:03,600
and might then uh

1727
01:09:08,749 --> 01:09:07,259
also stimulate exploration of that so if

1728
01:09:10,789 --> 01:09:08,759
there are like structures on the moon

1729
01:09:13,370 --> 01:09:10,799
that we know about

1730
01:09:16,249 --> 01:09:13,380
um it might be discovered by the first

1731
01:09:18,470 --> 01:09:16,259
Artemis crew or they're going to be

1732
01:09:19,970 --> 01:09:18,480
orbiting the Earth uh I'm sorry they're

1733
01:09:21,229 --> 01:09:19,980
going to be orbiting the moon they're

1734
01:09:23,930 --> 01:09:21,239
not going to land they're going to orbit

1735
01:09:26,269 --> 01:09:23,940
first and then come back and the second

1736
01:09:26,870 --> 01:09:26,279
Artemis crew is supposed to land on the

1737
01:09:30,050 --> 01:09:26,880
Moon

1738
01:09:32,269 --> 01:09:30,060
and then the the third Artemis crew is

1739
01:09:34,970 --> 01:09:32,279
supposed to land on the poles South Pole

1740
01:09:37,070 --> 01:09:34,980
that's what I hear so will they discover

1741
01:09:39,530 --> 01:09:37,080
something maybe

1742
01:09:41,450 --> 01:09:39,540
um you we keep hearing

1743
01:09:43,789 --> 01:09:41,460
rumors

1744
01:09:46,729 --> 01:09:43,799
that have not been substantiated but

1745
01:09:48,789 --> 01:09:46,739
nevertheless rumors that NASA has data

1746
01:09:51,590 --> 01:09:48,799
that they've seen things that they've

1747
01:09:52,970 --> 01:09:51,600
airbrushed out of the original photos

1748
01:09:54,350 --> 01:09:52,980
and that's what they released to the

1749
01:09:56,390 --> 01:09:54,360
public

1750
01:09:58,430 --> 01:09:56,400
that could be true I mean that could

1751
01:10:01,070 --> 01:09:58,440
very well be true and I I'm hoping that

1752
01:10:03,350 --> 01:10:01,080
that data will be released because once

1753
01:10:05,870 --> 01:10:03,360
we say that there are non-human beings

1754
01:10:08,510 --> 01:10:05,880
involved with what's flying

1755
01:10:11,030 --> 01:10:08,520
they may be able to say that it's they

1756
01:10:14,990 --> 01:10:11,040
being NASA oh we also know that they're

1757
01:10:18,470 --> 01:10:15,000
non-human beings that had a presence on

1758
01:10:20,390 --> 01:10:18,480
the moon or the nearby planets yeah you

1759
01:10:21,790 --> 01:10:20,400
know that opens up that but first we got

1760
01:10:24,709 --> 01:10:21,800
to do this

1761
01:10:26,750 --> 01:10:24,719
non-human statement first from from the

1762
01:10:29,030 --> 01:10:26,760
US government that has to absolutely

1763
01:10:31,550 --> 01:10:29,040
come first non-human is the most

1764
01:10:33,470 --> 01:10:31,560
important phrase that you hear that we

1765
01:10:36,410 --> 01:10:33,480
validate it and verify that there is

1766
01:10:38,930 --> 01:10:36,420
none there is a non-human presence on on

1767
01:10:41,270 --> 01:10:38,940
the planet in the planet underneath the

1768
01:10:44,090 --> 01:10:41,280
oceans or flying in the skies

1769
01:10:46,729 --> 01:10:44,100
of Earth and then we can go to the moon

1770
01:10:50,350 --> 01:10:46,739
and to Mars or wherever else where there

1771
01:10:55,310 --> 01:10:50,360
might be other other types of structures

1772
01:10:57,649 --> 01:10:55,320
and when I was at CIA I did have access

1773
01:10:59,390 --> 01:10:57,659
um to some original uh uncompressed

1774
01:11:01,729 --> 01:10:59,400
files

1775
01:11:04,970 --> 01:11:01,739
um that I was able to access through my

1776
01:11:06,950 --> 01:11:04,980
CIA workstation it was processed by

1777
01:11:09,290 --> 01:11:06,960
Mallon Space Systems like I believe

1778
01:11:11,689 --> 01:11:09,300
which had a contract with NASA I looked

1779
01:11:14,030 --> 01:11:11,699
at one of the moons of Mars and that's

1780
01:11:15,890 --> 01:11:14,040
where I saw the uh what we would call

1781
01:11:17,510 --> 01:11:15,900
them in obelisk

1782
01:11:21,470 --> 01:11:17,520
it's very much like an Egyptian

1783
01:11:24,590 --> 01:11:21,480
structure now what I see now seems a

1784
01:11:26,209 --> 01:11:24,600
very low resolution than what I saw what

1785
01:11:28,070 --> 01:11:26,219
I saw was a structure

1786
01:11:29,689 --> 01:11:28,080
I said my gosh look at this and I had

1787
01:11:32,390 --> 01:11:29,699
some of my colleagues look over it it

1788
01:11:35,390 --> 01:11:32,400
looks like the Washington Monument

1789
01:11:36,649 --> 01:11:35,400
and here it is on on this I think it was

1790
01:11:39,410 --> 01:11:36,659
photos

1791
01:11:41,209 --> 01:11:39,420
here it is you know and then later all

1792
01:11:43,189 --> 01:11:41,219
that data disappeared

1793
01:11:45,050 --> 01:11:43,199
you don't get those swaths anymore where

1794
01:11:46,250 --> 01:11:45,060
you can actually look at high resolution

1795
01:11:51,050 --> 01:11:46,260
data

1796
01:11:52,669 --> 01:11:51,060
extremely high what I saw what you see

1797
01:11:54,830 --> 01:11:52,679
now is like

1798
01:11:57,010 --> 01:11:54,840
copies of copies of copies I don't know

1799
01:11:59,689 --> 01:11:57,020
what happened to it

1800
01:12:01,370 --> 01:11:59,699
because from an accident point of view

1801
01:12:03,709 --> 01:12:01,380
and I don't know the chain of command at

1802
01:12:04,850 --> 01:12:03,719
Nasa and the way someone like yourself

1803
01:12:06,530 --> 01:12:04,860
May

1804
01:12:08,510 --> 01:12:06,540
um I know Bill Nelson's administrator

1805
01:12:10,850 --> 01:12:08,520
and he has a bit of a champion of the

1806
01:12:12,649 --> 01:12:10,860
UFO subject he was briefed on new APS

1807
01:12:14,930 --> 01:12:12,659
when he was in the government

1808
01:12:17,030 --> 01:12:14,940
um very much talks on the edge of

1809
01:12:19,130 --> 01:12:17,040
extraterrestrial life and are we alone

1810
01:12:21,070 --> 01:12:19,140
probably not it's great to listen to

1811
01:12:23,330 --> 01:12:21,080
yeah

1812
01:12:26,030 --> 01:12:23,340
NASA is an organization it's not a

1813
01:12:28,370 --> 01:12:26,040
person so if Bill Nelson is a chief of

1814
01:12:30,890 --> 01:12:28,380
NASA head of NASA right now and that

1815
01:12:32,870 --> 01:12:30,900
information is at Nasa quote unquote

1816
01:12:34,850 --> 01:12:32,880
can't bill Nielsen just get that

1817
01:12:37,189 --> 01:12:34,860
information or are we talking there are

1818
01:12:39,590 --> 01:12:37,199
individuals in the background or

1819
01:12:41,149 --> 01:12:39,600
previously in charge at Nasa who don't

1820
01:12:42,530 --> 01:12:41,159
allow that information just to be seen

1821
01:12:44,630 --> 01:12:42,540
by anyone

1822
01:12:46,850 --> 01:12:44,640
I would say this that the administrator

1823
01:12:49,850 --> 01:12:46,860
of NASA has access to everything

1824
01:12:50,990 --> 01:12:49,860
um NASA has in its archives current and

1825
01:12:53,030 --> 01:12:51,000
past

1826
01:12:55,850 --> 01:12:53,040
and there's no like compartmentation

1827
01:12:57,709 --> 01:12:55,860
within NASA it is truly a civilian

1828
01:12:58,490 --> 01:12:57,719
organization

1829
01:13:01,669 --> 01:12:58,500
um

1830
01:13:03,590 --> 01:13:01,679
and having said that the Bill Nelson was

1831
01:13:05,030 --> 01:13:03,600
a member of the Senate select committee

1832
01:13:07,189 --> 01:13:05,040
on intelligence

1833
01:13:09,649 --> 01:13:07,199
when he was a Senator he was also a

1834
01:13:11,570 --> 01:13:09,659
congressman from Florida as well and

1835
01:13:15,050 --> 01:13:11,580
he's been briefed on this throughout yet

1836
01:13:17,209 --> 01:13:15,060
so he has a lot of knowledge and now he

1837
01:13:20,090 --> 01:13:17,219
has to go ahead

1838
01:13:23,090 --> 01:13:20,100
um to be more forthcoming

1839
01:13:26,270 --> 01:13:23,100
because I believe he understands that

1840
01:13:28,970 --> 01:13:26,280
when the civilian military and civilian

1841
01:13:32,450 --> 01:13:28,980
side of intelligence come forward

1842
01:13:35,930 --> 01:13:32,460
that they're non-humans flying the

1843
01:13:37,729 --> 01:13:35,940
obvious obvious place to go next is NASA

1844
01:13:40,550 --> 01:13:37,739
because there should be nothing

1845
01:13:43,010 --> 01:13:40,560
classified at NASA

1846
01:13:45,830 --> 01:13:43,020
absolutely nothing in NASA should be

1847
01:13:47,990 --> 01:13:45,840
classified if it is classified at Nasa I

1848
01:13:50,570 --> 01:13:48,000
would be very interested in that data

1849
01:13:52,910 --> 01:13:50,580
because it's civilian Science Why

1850
01:13:55,910 --> 01:13:52,920
classify it

1851
01:13:57,950 --> 01:13:55,920
um unless NASA was compelled to classify

1852
01:14:00,229 --> 01:13:57,960
it from the intelligence Community

1853
01:14:02,630 --> 01:14:00,239
saying you can't release this

1854
01:14:03,649 --> 01:14:02,640
that could be it but once the civilian

1855
01:14:06,110 --> 01:14:03,659
intelligence Community Military

1856
01:14:08,270 --> 01:14:06,120
Intelligence Community come forward then

1857
01:14:10,310 --> 01:14:08,280
there's no reason for NASA to classify

1858
01:14:13,550 --> 01:14:10,320
anything and they start should start

1859
01:14:16,370 --> 01:14:13,560
sharing what it has and also release

1860
01:14:18,830 --> 01:14:16,380
their astronauts from whatever agreement

1861
01:14:20,990 --> 01:14:18,840
they had with NASA to start talking

1862
01:14:23,510 --> 01:14:21,000
about what they've seen

1863
01:14:26,450 --> 01:14:23,520
because I'm sure they've seen a lot

1864
01:14:28,850 --> 01:14:26,460
and uh so we'll see where that leads but

1865
01:14:31,250 --> 01:14:28,860
I think NASA thank you for bringing up

1866
01:14:33,830 --> 01:14:31,260
NASA I forgot to mention NASA has some

1867
01:14:35,450 --> 01:14:33,840
really important part of this

1868
01:14:37,130 --> 01:14:35,460
it's a hard conversation to have with

1869
01:14:38,990 --> 01:14:37,140
anyone join without forgetting something

1870
01:14:40,790 --> 01:14:39,000
I think everyone does at some point and

1871
01:14:42,649 --> 01:14:40,800
someone gets angry and messages me so

1872
01:14:44,570 --> 01:14:42,659
you'll get that as well no doubt and

1873
01:14:46,910 --> 01:14:44,580
Jennifer wanted to know are you

1874
01:14:49,970 --> 01:14:46,920
encouraged or discouraged At All by the

1875
01:14:53,030 --> 01:14:49,980
CIA to give these online interviews on

1876
01:14:56,689 --> 01:14:53,040
podcasts or presentations Etc they

1877
01:14:59,689 --> 01:14:56,699
absolutely have no qualms whatsoever

1878
01:15:01,209 --> 01:14:59,699
the only time I heard about anything I

1879
01:15:06,229 --> 01:15:01,219
said

1880
01:15:12,050 --> 01:15:06,239
that CIA people questioned

1881
01:15:17,870 --> 01:15:14,689
so I did receive some feedback

1882
01:15:20,270 --> 01:15:17,880
um that there were some CIA people

1883
01:15:24,110 --> 01:15:20,280
um interested in what I said about 2027

1884
01:15:27,830 --> 01:15:24,120
but again I I've said before I did not

1885
01:15:30,050 --> 01:15:27,840
bring up 2027. there were people in a

1886
01:15:33,229 --> 01:15:30,060
skiff

1887
01:15:35,149 --> 01:15:33,239
and I don't have any clearances so in

1888
01:15:36,470 --> 01:15:35,159
that skiff we can talk about sensitive

1889
01:15:39,590 --> 01:15:36,480
subjects

1890
01:15:41,390 --> 01:15:39,600
but I couldn't talk I didn't have any

1891
01:15:45,410 --> 01:15:41,400
clearances so I could talk about things

1892
01:15:48,590 --> 01:15:45,420
I remember from my time in service

1893
01:15:51,590 --> 01:15:48,600
about this phenomenon

1894
01:15:54,050 --> 01:15:51,600
which I did but uh

1895
01:15:56,770 --> 01:15:54,060
in this gift the people in the skiff who

1896
01:15:59,870 --> 01:15:56,780
invited me to talk with them and ask if

1897
01:16:01,130 --> 01:15:59,880
mentioned they brought up 2027. I did

1898
01:16:03,229 --> 01:16:01,140
not

1899
01:16:06,290 --> 01:16:03,239
so that led me to believe that they knew

1900
01:16:09,729 --> 01:16:06,300
something about 2027.

1901
01:16:12,530 --> 01:16:09,739
and I offered my opinion about 2027

1902
01:16:15,610 --> 01:16:12,540
actually deferring back to Chris Bledsoe

1903
01:16:19,669 --> 01:16:15,620
and when he said about the 2026 2027

1904
01:16:21,830 --> 01:16:19,679
period I also mentioned Anjali what she

1905
01:16:25,790 --> 01:16:21,840
said about that time period which they

1906
01:16:27,830 --> 01:16:25,800
duly noted and they just took notes that

1907
01:16:30,649 --> 01:16:27,840
gives you a clue that you know

1908
01:16:33,050 --> 01:16:30,659
maybe what she said um is is somewhat

1909
01:16:35,149 --> 01:16:33,060
known to them

1910
01:16:36,590 --> 01:16:35,159
um about these experiences I think the

1911
01:16:39,290 --> 01:16:36,600
government knows more about experiences

1912
01:16:41,030 --> 01:16:39,300
than they are willing to let let on

1913
01:16:43,610 --> 01:16:41,040
because it brings up another whole

1914
01:16:44,810 --> 01:16:43,620
Avenue that they don't want to go to but

1915
01:16:46,669 --> 01:16:44,820
you know

1916
01:16:49,490 --> 01:16:46,679
they brought it up so that's the only

1917
01:16:51,530 --> 01:16:49,500
time that when I mentioned in a podcast

1918
01:16:52,610 --> 01:16:51,540
with

1919
01:16:55,070 --> 01:16:52,620
um

1920
01:16:56,350 --> 01:16:55,080
I forget who I did it with but I

1921
01:17:00,110 --> 01:16:56,360
mentioned in a podcast

1922
01:17:03,950 --> 01:17:00,120
2027 that I heard some feedback

1923
01:17:06,110 --> 01:17:03,960
from CIA people about 2027.

1924
01:17:07,669 --> 01:17:06,120
I want to ask do you think and this is

1925
01:17:10,910 --> 01:17:07,679
just opinion unless it comes from that

1926
01:17:13,550 --> 01:17:10,920
informed place that any sort of date

1927
01:17:16,490 --> 01:17:13,560
that's put on something in terms of ET

1928
01:17:18,770 --> 01:17:16,500
contact or some kind of confirmation is

1929
01:17:20,330 --> 01:17:18,780
very much LED on our end and by our end

1930
01:17:23,270 --> 01:17:20,340
I mean the human end because I can't

1931
01:17:25,550 --> 01:17:23,280
imagine a non-human species has an

1932
01:17:27,410 --> 01:17:25,560
iPhone with the same calendar and thinks

1933
01:17:29,390 --> 01:17:27,420
that you know what right now as we sit

1934
01:17:31,310 --> 01:17:29,400
here we're going to wait two years two

1935
01:17:33,709 --> 01:17:31,320
Earth years and come out on this date

1936
01:17:35,870 --> 01:17:33,719
and time because I don't think they

1937
01:17:38,090 --> 01:17:35,880
would look at time and calendars how we

1938
01:17:40,729 --> 01:17:38,100
do so anytime a debt is put on something

1939
01:17:43,850 --> 01:17:40,739
it's got to be something that's laid

1940
01:17:45,229 --> 01:17:43,860
from our side right except unless

1941
01:17:47,570 --> 01:17:45,239
they're the residents unless they're

1942
01:17:50,390 --> 01:17:47,580
here on the planet as well

1943
01:17:52,189 --> 01:17:50,400
we share the planet with them and they

1944
01:17:54,290 --> 01:17:52,199
would always have to be aware of our way

1945
01:17:56,090 --> 01:17:54,300
of measuring time and date yes they

1946
01:17:58,850 --> 01:17:56,100
would and in fact you know you go back

1947
01:18:02,810 --> 01:17:58,860
to I encourage everyone to study

1948
01:18:06,530 --> 01:18:02,820
Sumerian culture because they had some

1949
01:18:09,110 --> 01:18:06,540
remarkable mathematics back then

1950
01:18:10,790 --> 01:18:09,120
um with very with ostensibly no

1951
01:18:14,390 --> 01:18:10,800
computers they figured out a lot of

1952
01:18:16,490 --> 01:18:14,400
stuff about the planet and about the

1953
01:18:19,070 --> 01:18:16,500
solar system that they should not have

1954
01:18:21,950 --> 01:18:19,080
known but having said that

1955
01:18:26,030 --> 01:18:21,960
um yes I mean I

1956
01:18:27,530 --> 01:18:26,040
disclosure from the government is human

1957
01:18:30,169 --> 01:18:27,540
or governments of the world it's

1958
01:18:34,370 --> 01:18:30,179
something that we know that we can share

1959
01:18:36,050 --> 01:18:34,380
with the world their appearance to us is

1960
01:18:37,310 --> 01:18:36,060
on their timetable

1961
01:18:40,610 --> 01:18:37,320
so

1962
01:18:43,250 --> 01:18:40,620
I would hope you know that when we

1963
01:18:45,890 --> 01:18:43,260
disclose that they're here that they

1964
01:18:49,910 --> 01:18:45,900
will disclose who who they are

1965
01:18:51,770 --> 01:18:49,920
so that was my personal opinion not a

1966
01:18:55,610 --> 01:18:51,780
government fact nothing I know

1967
01:18:59,209 --> 01:18:55,620
officially that in 2027 once we disclose

1968
01:19:02,030 --> 01:18:59,219
everything by 2027 I hope there's an

1969
01:19:03,890 --> 01:19:02,040
opportunity for these visitors and for

1970
01:19:06,649 --> 01:19:03,900
these residents to come forward and show

1971
01:19:08,570 --> 01:19:06,659
themselves again I say again to the

1972
01:19:11,510 --> 01:19:08,580
world because I think they've done that

1973
01:19:13,189 --> 01:19:11,520
previously to the Ancients who saw them

1974
01:19:16,070 --> 01:19:13,199
as gods

1975
01:19:17,870 --> 01:19:16,080
who may have worshiped them as Gods who

1976
01:19:19,610 --> 01:19:17,880
created religions based around their

1977
01:19:20,450 --> 01:19:19,620
presence

1978
01:19:22,130 --> 01:19:20,460
um

1979
01:19:25,250 --> 01:19:22,140
There's an opportunity for them to show

1980
01:19:27,830 --> 01:19:25,260
up and so why are they pick 2027 I don't

1981
01:19:30,770 --> 01:19:27,840
know why did we pick 20 27 I don't know

1982
01:19:33,590 --> 01:19:30,780
I got that clue from Lou Elizondo in in

1983
01:19:34,850 --> 01:19:33,600
2022 he said that in five years it'll

1984
01:19:36,890 --> 01:19:34,860
all be out

1985
01:19:39,649 --> 01:19:36,900
so it's simple math you had five years

1986
01:19:42,110 --> 01:19:39,659
to 2022 when he said that in a uh in his

1987
01:19:44,270 --> 01:19:42,120
interview I came up 2027 and said well

1988
01:19:46,189 --> 01:19:44,280
Lou knows something about 2027 because

1989
01:19:48,410 --> 01:19:46,199
he said in five years it'll all come out

1990
01:19:49,970 --> 01:19:48,420
was that the comment of and I'm just

1991
01:19:51,709 --> 01:19:49,980
trying to be fair where he said and

1992
01:19:54,110 --> 01:19:51,719
fight if people aren't interested in

1993
01:19:55,790 --> 01:19:54,120
what's happening now come back in five

1994
01:19:58,550 --> 01:19:55,800
years go and do something and come back

1995
01:20:00,590 --> 01:19:58,560
and yeah to pick a hobby yeah yeah and

1996
01:20:02,570 --> 01:20:00,600
come back and people have read into that

1997
01:20:05,090 --> 01:20:02,580
um hopefully lose on the media rounds

1998
01:20:06,530 --> 01:20:05,100
Again by late 2023 which should be

1999
01:20:08,090 --> 01:20:06,540
interesting because he's been away for a

2000
01:20:09,709 --> 01:20:08,100
while and uh it'd be nice to pick his

2001
01:20:11,510 --> 01:20:09,719
brain on a few things but yeah I know

2002
01:20:12,709 --> 01:20:11,520
that that's fair last couple of

2003
01:20:14,090 --> 01:20:12,719
questions and then we'll let you get on

2004
01:20:15,290 --> 01:20:14,100
with your day Jordan so you've got a

2005
01:20:17,330 --> 01:20:15,300
busy life

2006
01:20:19,910 --> 01:20:17,340
um question from Newman he asks do you

2007
01:20:22,310 --> 01:20:19,920
do you subscribe to the claims of people

2008
01:20:24,950 --> 01:20:22,320
like Robert Monroe who say that Earth is

2009
01:20:27,649 --> 01:20:24,960
a farm used by higher beings to harvest

2010
01:20:29,209 --> 01:20:27,659
lower vibrational energies or by ETS to

2011
01:20:32,149 --> 01:20:29,219
harvest Souls

2012
01:20:34,490 --> 01:20:32,159
I have no idea uh I I don't have any

2013
01:20:36,890 --> 01:20:34,500
comment about that at all

2014
01:20:38,689 --> 01:20:36,900
um harvesting Souls how does one do that

2015
01:20:40,910 --> 01:20:38,699
why would one do that

2016
01:20:43,189 --> 01:20:40,920
um to me a soul is something that can't

2017
01:20:44,810 --> 01:20:43,199
be harvested it's like a Consciousness

2018
01:20:47,570 --> 01:20:44,820
that can't be harvested I mean are they

2019
01:20:49,790 --> 01:20:47,580
hijacking Consciousness I I find that

2020
01:20:54,050 --> 01:20:49,800
hard to believe and based on my personal

2021
01:20:56,149 --> 01:20:54,060
experiences I don't think that's true I

2022
01:20:59,930 --> 01:20:56,159
think we're here on a mission

2023
01:21:02,149 --> 01:20:59,940
I think experiencers had this Universal

2024
01:21:03,890 --> 01:21:02,159
kind of feeling maybe not so Universal I

2025
01:21:04,850 --> 01:21:03,900
don't want to put words in people's

2026
01:21:07,250 --> 01:21:04,860
mouths

2027
01:21:09,350 --> 01:21:07,260
but there's always a sense of mission

2028
01:21:11,030 --> 01:21:09,360
that I had this experience and now I

2029
01:21:13,430 --> 01:21:11,040
have to do something with it

2030
01:21:16,070 --> 01:21:13,440
that no I I'm compelled to do something

2031
01:21:18,410 --> 01:21:16,080
with it and some people do

2032
01:21:21,110 --> 01:21:18,420
and others are kind of stymied because

2033
01:21:24,110 --> 01:21:21,120
they're trying to sort out in their

2034
01:21:26,270 --> 01:21:24,120
minds this experience to some it's very

2035
01:21:28,250 --> 01:21:26,280
frightening for me I would think I was

2036
01:21:31,310 --> 01:21:28,260
prepared for it because I've had these

2037
01:21:33,910 --> 01:21:31,320
experiences since childhood and it seems

2038
01:21:38,270 --> 01:21:33,920
like I was brought along gradually

2039
01:21:41,090 --> 01:21:38,280
and somehow ended up at CIA working in

2040
01:21:43,790 --> 01:21:41,100
the two offices that had the Legacy UFO

2041
01:21:47,990 --> 01:21:43,800
program since Roswell I was in those two

2042
01:21:51,350 --> 01:21:48,000
offices and so why did that happen you

2043
01:21:54,950 --> 01:21:51,360
know why why did I end up at CIA from

2044
01:21:58,370 --> 01:21:54,960
My Walk of Life and you look at other

2045
01:22:00,590 --> 01:21:58,380
officers that CIA people I know you look

2046
01:22:02,510 --> 01:22:00,600
at their past and you kind of wonder how

2047
01:22:04,490 --> 01:22:02,520
do they end up there but one thing that

2048
01:22:06,410 --> 01:22:04,500
I had in common with one of my very

2049
01:22:09,410 --> 01:22:06,420
close friends is that he had missing

2050
01:22:10,970 --> 01:22:09,420
time he was he was like um a youngster

2051
01:22:13,010 --> 01:22:10,980
like five or six years old something

2052
01:22:14,990 --> 01:22:13,020
like that and he went out in his

2053
01:22:17,630 --> 01:22:15,000
backyard and he saw a strange light

2054
01:22:20,450 --> 01:22:17,640
there was some a forest behind his house

2055
01:22:22,370 --> 01:22:20,460
some trees and he went out there

2056
01:22:24,649 --> 01:22:22,380
and then he had a memory of coming back

2057
01:22:28,550 --> 01:22:24,659
in the house and his parents were angry

2058
01:22:30,770 --> 01:22:28,560
at him because he was missing for hours

2059
01:22:32,209 --> 01:22:30,780
and so he had this experience they

2060
01:22:34,790 --> 01:22:32,219
cannot remember

2061
01:22:37,610 --> 01:22:34,800
and um he's been a lifelong experience

2062
01:22:39,950 --> 01:22:37,620
ever since he he saw a lady in white

2063
01:22:42,830 --> 01:22:39,960
before Chris Bledsoe

2064
01:22:44,750 --> 01:22:42,840
he told me I saw this lady in white

2065
01:22:48,050 --> 01:22:44,760
and it was like

2066
01:22:50,450 --> 01:22:48,060
in the early 2000s he was saying that

2067
01:22:51,950 --> 01:22:50,460
and I I've personally found it hard to

2068
01:22:54,830 --> 01:22:51,960
believe because I never had the lady in

2069
01:22:57,470 --> 01:22:54,840
white experience but he did and said had

2070
01:22:59,330 --> 01:22:57,480
him she had a message for me

2071
01:23:01,790 --> 01:22:59,340
and uh so

2072
01:23:04,669 --> 01:23:01,800
there you go you know

2073
01:23:06,410 --> 01:23:04,679
we we tend to have these experiences

2074
01:23:09,530 --> 01:23:06,420
that are hard to explain we end up where

2075
01:23:11,689 --> 01:23:09,540
we are and I felt like it was my mission

2076
01:23:15,350 --> 01:23:11,699
I was told it was my mission when I had

2077
01:23:16,610 --> 01:23:15,360
my most recent orb experience in July of

2078
01:23:18,590 --> 01:23:16,620
2020

2079
01:23:20,930 --> 01:23:18,600
that I was supposed to come forward with

2080
01:23:24,950 --> 01:23:20,940
the information I have because it was

2081
01:23:28,130 --> 01:23:24,960
time to share information about them and

2082
01:23:30,950 --> 01:23:28,140
information I know from my my work if

2083
01:23:32,450 --> 01:23:30,960
that's why I started to come out forward

2084
01:23:34,430 --> 01:23:32,460
and that's why I'm speaking with you

2085
01:23:37,070 --> 01:23:34,440
otherwise you would have never heard

2086
01:23:39,229 --> 01:23:37,080
about me whatsoever yeah

2087
01:23:41,270 --> 01:23:39,239
um and I would be happy to do so and I'm

2088
01:23:43,729 --> 01:23:41,280
happy that people will forget me after

2089
01:23:46,490 --> 01:23:43,739
disclosure because I think my job is

2090
01:23:48,410 --> 01:23:46,500
done what I know what I've experienced

2091
01:23:50,689 --> 01:23:48,420
it's already out there take it or leave

2092
01:23:52,010 --> 01:23:50,699
it I don't I don't really care if people

2093
01:23:54,950 --> 01:23:52,020
believe me or not

2094
01:23:57,110 --> 01:23:54,960
but I hope I contributed something to

2095
01:23:59,270 --> 01:23:57,120
people's understanding

2096
01:24:00,709 --> 01:23:59,280
um of what's going on and particularly

2097
01:24:02,810 --> 01:24:00,719
helping people understand their own

2098
01:24:05,030 --> 01:24:02,820
experiences I've have worked with

2099
01:24:06,649 --> 01:24:05,040
individuals privately about

2100
01:24:08,570 --> 01:24:06,659
understanding their experiences and

2101
01:24:11,390 --> 01:24:08,580
that's what I enjoy doing the most less

2102
01:24:13,729 --> 01:24:11,400
so I don't care how they fly to get here

2103
01:24:15,649 --> 01:24:13,739
I just know they're here and why are

2104
01:24:17,870 --> 01:24:15,659
they here and that's what I like people

2105
01:24:21,590 --> 01:24:17,880
to know

2106
01:24:24,110 --> 01:24:21,600
understand and so anything I can share

2107
01:24:25,970 --> 01:24:24,120
um I'm happy to work with them and maybe

2108
01:24:29,090 --> 01:24:25,980
that's what I'll do but

2109
01:24:30,290 --> 01:24:29,100
um after May this month at the end of

2110
01:24:33,470 --> 01:24:30,300
the month

2111
01:24:36,830 --> 01:24:33,480
um I think you know uh Hollywood yep as

2112
01:24:38,149 --> 01:24:36,840
well and I will have my last very last

2113
01:24:41,030 --> 01:24:38,159
interview

2114
01:24:43,790 --> 01:24:41,040
prior to disclosure with her

2115
01:24:47,090 --> 01:24:43,800
after that I am not doing any more

2116
01:24:49,430 --> 01:24:47,100
interviews and we set up uh the last

2117
01:24:51,709 --> 01:24:49,440
Sunday in May

2118
01:24:53,630 --> 01:24:51,719
so look in your calendars last Sunday in

2119
01:24:56,149 --> 01:24:53,640
May would be my very last interview with

2120
01:24:58,430 --> 01:24:56,159
anyone until disclosure

2121
01:25:00,770 --> 01:24:58,440
and then after disclosure I promise one

2122
01:25:02,570 --> 01:25:00,780
individual I'll do a post disclosure

2123
01:25:05,990 --> 01:25:02,580
interview and that's Jay Anderson

2124
01:25:09,110 --> 01:25:06,000
Project Unity I'll do one more and then

2125
01:25:11,209 --> 01:25:09,120
I hope to disappear I don't want to deal

2126
01:25:13,910 --> 01:25:11,219
with this anymore because I think from

2127
01:25:16,370 --> 01:25:13,920
there civilians should take up the

2128
01:25:18,229 --> 01:25:16,380
mantle and

2129
01:25:19,610 --> 01:25:18,239
get their governments

2130
01:25:22,010 --> 01:25:19,620
to

2131
01:25:23,870 --> 01:25:22,020
disclose more information you know it's

2132
01:25:26,870 --> 01:25:23,880
up to the civilians to then

2133
01:25:28,850 --> 01:25:26,880
pressure your members of parliament or

2134
01:25:30,830 --> 01:25:28,860
your congressmen pressure them to

2135
01:25:31,669 --> 01:25:30,840
release more information because I think

2136
01:25:33,350 --> 01:25:31,679
I

2137
01:25:35,810 --> 01:25:33,360
disclosure the government's pretty much

2138
01:25:37,669 --> 01:25:35,820
saying everything it can say

2139
01:25:40,010 --> 01:25:37,679
and then from there it's a process of

2140
01:25:42,709 --> 01:25:40,020
having civilians involved civilian

2141
01:25:44,810 --> 01:25:42,719
scientists enthusiasts such as yourself

2142
01:25:47,709 --> 01:25:44,820
myself you know

2143
01:25:50,810 --> 01:25:47,719
let's let's work on this from the

2144
01:25:52,790 --> 01:25:50,820
legislative side let's let's get these

2145
01:25:53,649 --> 01:25:52,800
governments to even like tell us even

2146
01:25:56,750 --> 01:25:53,659
more

2147
01:25:59,270 --> 01:25:56,760
Beyond they're non-humans

2148
01:26:01,430 --> 01:25:59,280
so

2149
01:26:02,570 --> 01:26:01,440
thank you very much I was going to say I

2150
01:26:03,890 --> 01:26:02,580
think that's a lovely place to leave

2151
01:26:05,450 --> 01:26:03,900
that John and I always like to say I'd

2152
01:26:06,830 --> 01:26:05,460
love to have you back on Never Say Never

2153
01:26:08,750 --> 01:26:06,840
we never know what's going to happen in

2154
01:26:10,070 --> 01:26:08,760
the near future but I appreciate you've

2155
01:26:11,570 --> 01:26:10,080
done a lot of these and you've gotten a

2156
01:26:13,729 --> 01:26:11,580
lot of people you have time and it's for

2157
01:26:15,649 --> 01:26:13,739
free I've never paid a guest for coming

2158
01:26:17,930 --> 01:26:15,659
on the podcast and you do volunteer your

2159
01:26:19,310 --> 01:26:17,940
time and you you do when the microphone

2160
01:26:21,890 --> 01:26:19,320
goes off and you switch off the camera

2161
01:26:23,870 --> 01:26:21,900
you're off to to make a cup of tea a cup

2162
01:26:26,629 --> 01:26:23,880
of coffee go to the shops and live your

2163
01:26:29,090 --> 01:26:26,639
life something's stronger Andy stronger

2164
01:26:30,709 --> 01:26:29,100
John actually that's a bad habit because

2165
01:26:32,090 --> 01:26:30,719
I'm sure last time or the first time you

2166
01:26:35,270 --> 01:26:32,100
had happy hour you were going to with

2167
01:26:41,709 --> 01:26:35,280
your wife so if if it's happy hour again

2168
01:26:46,370 --> 01:26:44,390
uh I like I say if we have you back on

2169
01:26:47,810 --> 01:26:46,380
it'd be wonderful if not thank you very

2170
01:26:50,149 --> 01:26:47,820
much for your time and I can assure you

2171
01:26:51,950 --> 01:26:50,159
from the comments on this podcast and

2172
01:26:53,629 --> 01:26:51,960
others you certainly have an impact in

2173
01:26:55,370 --> 01:26:53,639
people's lives and conversations when it

2174
01:26:57,649 --> 01:26:55,380
comes to the UFO topic so thank you for

2175
01:27:00,050 --> 01:26:57,659
that ah you're very welcome and thank

2176
01:27:02,270 --> 01:27:00,060
you that is all for this week's show

2177
01:27:04,129 --> 01:27:02,280
thank you very much for listening please

2178
01:27:06,830 --> 01:27:04,139
remember to leave the podcast a review

2179
01:27:09,350 --> 01:27:06,840
on your chosen platform you can like

2180
01:27:11,270 --> 01:27:09,360
retweet And subscribe that would all be

2181
01:27:13,370 --> 01:27:11,280
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never know what you might see

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I can't imagine

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there was something on my head and

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everything was weird and everything

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else that's my boys they thought this

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over there

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can't sleep forever

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